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nvreloader
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Dec 07, 2016

Problem with the TH solar project

Guys
I have encountered a couple of problems with my solar project.
I am not sure just how to correct/fix or make it work yet.

Problem:
I will have 4-230W PV panels on the roof,
I will have them wired in parallel/series connections,
the spec's of these panels are,

Canadian Solar CS6P-230P Silver Frame
STC Power Rating 230W
Number of Cells 60
Voc 36.8V
Imp 7.78A
Vmp 29.6V
Isc 8.34A
NOCT 45°C
Series Fuse Rating 15A
Maximum System Voltage 600Vistics
Type Polycrystalline Silicon
Output Terminal Type MC connector Type 4
Output Cable Wire Gauge 12 AWG, 2 ft long,
Length 64.5in
Width 38.7in
Depth 1.6in
Weight 44.1lb

It is recommended to use a combiner box,
to reduce the number of pv wires to 2 wires going down to the CC,
pv wire lengths from pv panels to the combiner box is 10-12' each and then 10 to 12' to the CC.

These pv wires will run thru the reefer vent straight down to the equipment bay 10-12' below.

I want a way to disconnect the pv panels, (for any maintenance that may be required) via a fuse or CB etc.

Here lies the problem,

The electrical bay,(22"x 22"x 16") will hold all the solar stuff, CC, possible inverter, major fuses/CB, quick emergency shut off of all the solar stuff/battery bay etc.

This access door, (limited room to work thru etc) is 12" W x 6" high and is located about 12" above the floor level.

I will have all the above equipment mounted to a 3/4" board,
(size unknown yet), prewired etc, for ease of mounting and for vertical attachment to the wall etc.

Is there a way for disconnecting the pv panels at this main equipment board and still have the minimum 1-3% wire loss at the CC, without the combiner box on the roof?

Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Tia,
Don

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  • CA_Traveler's avatar
    CA_Traveler
    Explorer III
    Dec 11, 2016
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    2oldman wrote:
    CJW8 wrote:
    Series/Parallel should yield 73.6 VDC, correct?
    Those appear to be 24v (nominal) panels. The working voltage would be somewhere between 50 and 60.
    Vmp is 29.6V so 60V.

    10 gauge wire will be adequate for 2 series panels and run them down to the disconnect switch and CC. Repeat for the second set of series panels. Your runs are relative short and no need for a combiner box and larger wire to the CC to handle 32A.

    OP The MPPT 60 will handle your over paneling and limit you to 60A but it won't be often with flat panels. I've tested mine at high summer noon in the Phoenix area and got 51A with 750W. It will be interesting to see if you ever get 60A on your winter hunting trips. Any shadows on those panels will have a large impact on available power.
  • westend's avatar
    westend
    Explorer
    Dec 11, 2016
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    Is there a reason you DON'T have the name (Cowboy Hilton) above the door or some other place on the remodel etc. it would seem fitting

    I've got a place for the name, just waiting on my Daughter, the artist, to break away from her social life to get it on there. I know what it would look like if I were to attempt it.
  • allen8106's avatar
    allen8106
    Explorer
    Dec 11, 2016
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    You'll need to run #10 from from the panels to a combiner box, #4 from the combiner box to the charge controller then 1/0 or 2/0 from the controller to the batteries. Read Jack Mayer and Handy Bob's web sites, they both have a ton of good solar stuff.

    Good luck with your project.
  • nvreloader's avatar
    nvreloader
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    Dec 10, 2016
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    Guys

    Here a voltage drop calculator that has better selections for DC,
    see info here:
    http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html

    HTH,
    Don
  • nvreloader's avatar
    nvreloader
    Explorer
    Dec 09, 2016
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    westend wrote:

    Southwire voltage drop calculator


    Thanks guys,

    West End,
    I'll try that calculator.

    I just finished reading your remodel on the Cowboy Hilton,
    a very OUTSTANDING build/remodel, very well documented with info/photo's etc. You have the knack..

    Your remodel comes at a perfect time, as I just inherited ("Get them off the place or they will be heading for the dump", 2 smaller trailers, a 20'and 25', unknown brand names yet, have to find the info on them.

    But both have very heavy frame rails and good running gear underneath etc. I was going to rebuild them into ATV haulers, but have second thoughts now....

    I have only one comment,

    Is there a reason you DON'T have the name (Cowboy Hilton) above the door or some other place on the remodel etc. :@ it would seem fitting etc.

    Tia,
    Don
  • westend's avatar
    westend
    Explorer
    Dec 09, 2016
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    nvreloader wrote:
    Guys,

    Is there a adequate voltage drop calculator, that allows you to be able to specify the wire size, actual/rated voltage output, etc and is relatively Kiss, in using it etc?

    I have been using the example posted, and quite confused as to the proper inputs etc.

    Tia,
    Don


    Southwire voltage drop calculator
  • time2roll's avatar
    time2roll
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    Dec 09, 2016
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    Yes the calc at 48 volts gives a higher drop percent than you will experience at 60 volts.
    Exact drop does not matter, just that you are within specification.
    Beat on this all you want, the result is the same.
  • nvreloader's avatar
    nvreloader
    Explorer
    Dec 09, 2016
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    Guys,

    Is there a adequate voltage drop calculator, that allows you to be able to specify the wire size, actual/rated voltage output, etc and is relatively Kiss, in using it etc?

    I have been using the example posted, and quite confused as to the proper inputs etc.

    Tia,
    Don
  • EsoxLucius's avatar
    EsoxLucius
    Explorer
    Dec 09, 2016
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    Yes, voltage drop in volts is the same. But as you state, the percentage is different, and it is the percentage that most use as an indicator of system performance. Thanks.

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I have encountered a couple of problems with my solar project.
I am not sure just how to correct/fix or make it work yet.

Problem:
I will have 4-230W PV panels on the roof,
I will have them wired in parallel/series connections,
the spec's of these panels are,

Canadian Solar CS6P-230P Silver Frame
STC Power Rating 230W
Number of Cells 60
Voc 36.8V
Imp 7.78A
Vmp 29.6V
Isc 8.34A
NOCT 45°C
Series Fuse Rating 15A
Maximum System Voltage 600Vistics
Type Polycrystalline Silicon
Output Terminal Type MC connector Type 4
Output Cable Wire Gauge 12 AWG, 2 ft long,
Length 64.5in
Width 38.7in
Depth 1.6in
Weight 44.1lb

It is recommended to use a combiner box,
to reduce the number of pv wires to 2 wires going down to the CC,
pv wire lengths from pv panels to the combiner box is 10-12' each and then 10 to 12' to the CC.

These pv wires will run thru the reefer vent straight down to the equipment bay 10-12' below.

I want a way to disconnect the pv panels, (for any maintenance that may be required) via a fuse or CB etc.

Here lies the problem,

The electrical bay,(22\"x 22\"x 16\") will hold all the solar stuff, CC, possible inverter, major fuses/CB, quick emergency shut off of all the solar stuff/battery bay etc.

This access door, (limited room to work thru etc) is 12\" W x 6\" high and is located about 12\" above the floor level.

I will have all the above equipment mounted to a 3/4\" board,
(size unknown yet), prewired etc, for ease of mounting and for vertical attachment to the wall etc.

Is there a way for disconnecting the pv panels at this main equipment board and still have the minimum 1-3% wire loss at the CC, without the combiner box on the roof?

Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Tia,
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I have encountered a couple of problems with my solar project.
I am not sure just how to correct/fix or make it work yet.

Problem:
I will have 4-230W PV panels on the roof,
I will have them wired in parallel/series connections,
the spec's of these panels are,

Canadian Solar CS6P-230P Silver Frame
STC Power Rating 230W
Number of Cells 60
Voc 36.8V
Imp 7.78A
Vmp 29.6V
Isc 8.34A
NOCT 45°C
Series Fuse Rating 15A
Maximum System Voltage 600Vistics
Type Polycrystalline Silicon
Output Terminal Type MC connector Type 4
Output Cable Wire Gauge 12 AWG, 2 ft long,
Length 64.5in
Width 38.7in
Depth 1.6in
Weight 44.1lb

It is recommended to use a combiner box,
to reduce the number of pv wires to 2 wires going down to the CC,
pv wire lengths from pv panels to the combiner box is 10-12' each and then 10 to 12' to the CC.

These pv wires will run thru the reefer vent straight down to the equipment bay 10-12' below.

I want a way to disconnect the pv panels, (for any maintenance that may be required) via a fuse or CB etc.

Here lies the problem,

The electrical bay,(22\"x 22\"x 16\") will hold all the solar stuff, CC, possible inverter, major fuses/CB, quick emergency shut off of all the solar stuff/battery bay etc.

This access door, (limited room to work thru etc) is 12\" W x 6\" high and is located about 12\" above the floor level.

I will have all the above equipment mounted to a 3/4\" board,
(size unknown yet), prewired etc, for ease of mounting and for vertical attachment to the wall etc.

Is there a way for disconnecting the pv panels at this main equipment board and still have the minimum 1-3% wire loss at the CC, without the combiner box on the roof?

Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Tia,
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2oldman wrote:
CJW8 wrote:
Series/Parallel should yield 73.6 VDC, correct?
Those appear to be 24v (nominal) panels. The working voltage would be somewhere between 50 and 60.
Vmp is 29.6V so 60V.

10 gauge wire will be adequate for 2 series panels and run them down to the disconnect switch and CC. Repeat for the second set of series panels. Your runs are relative short and no need for a combiner box and larger wire to the CC to handle 32A.

OP The MPPT 60 will handle your over paneling and limit you to 60A but it won't be often with flat panels. I've tested mine at high summer noon in the Phoenix area and got 51A with 750W. It will be interesting to see if you ever get 60A on your winter hunting trips. Any shadows on those panels will have a large impact on available power.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-11T06:27:05.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-11T06:27:05.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":198},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2455667/message:2455694","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:37":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:37","position":25,"name":"Nomad III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:36953":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:36953","uid":36953,"login":"pianotuna","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-12-18T06:52:06.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:37"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:36953"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455693":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2455693","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2455693":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:36953"},"id":"message:2455693","revisionNum":1,"uid":2455693,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2455667"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2455667"},"subject":"Re: Problem with the TH solar project","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455693"},"body":"rvloader's voltage drop calculator:

http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=0.8152&voltage=12.9&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=10&distanceunit=feet&amperes=160&x=48&y=10","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"231","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-11T04:57:01.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-11T04:57:01.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":197},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2455667/message:2455693","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:316397":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:316397","uid":316397,"login":"westend","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-11-17T05:06:55.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:316397"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455692":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2455692","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2455692":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:316397"},"id":"message:2455692","revisionNum":1,"uid":2455692,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2455667"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2455667"},"subject":"Re: Problem with the TH solar project","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455692"},"body":"
Is there a reason you DON'T have the name (Cowboy Hilton) above the door or some other place on the remodel etc. it would seem fitting

I've got a place for the name, just waiting on my Daughter, the artist, to break away from her social life to get it on there. I know what it would look like if I were to attempt it.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-10T21:52:19.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-10T21:52:19.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":197},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2455667/message:2455692","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:83385":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:83385","uid":83385,"login":"allen8106","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-01-31T15:09:32.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:83385"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455691":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2455691","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2455691":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:83385"},"id":"message:2455691","revisionNum":1,"uid":2455691,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2455667"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2455667"},"subject":"Re: Problem with the TH solar project","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455691"},"body":"You'll need to run #10 from from the panels to a combiner box, #4 from the combiner box to the charge controller then 1/0 or 2/0 from the controller to the batteries. Read Jack Mayer and Handy Bob's web sites, they both have a ton of good solar stuff.

Good luck with your project.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-10T20:05:36.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-10T20:05:36.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":197},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2455667/message:2455691","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455690":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2455690","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2455690":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:340265"},"id":"message:2455690","revisionNum":1,"uid":2455690,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2455667"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2455667"},"subject":"Re: Problem with the TH solar project","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455690"},"body":"Guys

Here a voltage drop calculator that has better selections for DC,
see info here:
http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html

HTH,
Don","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"158","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-10T09:13:53.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-10T09:13:53.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":211},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2455667/message:2455690","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455689":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2455689","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2455689":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:340265"},"id":"message:2455689","revisionNum":1,"uid":2455689,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2455667"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2455667"},"subject":"Re: Problem with the TH solar project","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455689"},"body":"
westend wrote:

Southwire voltage drop calculator


Thanks guys,

West End,
I'll try that calculator.

I just finished reading your remodel on the Cowboy Hilton,
a very OUTSTANDING build/remodel, very well documented with info/photo's etc. You have the knack..

Your remodel comes at a perfect time, as I just inherited (\"Get them off the place or they will be heading for the dump\", 2 smaller trailers, a 20'and 25', unknown brand names yet, have to find the info on them.

But both have very heavy frame rails and good running gear underneath etc. I was going to rebuild them into ATV haulers, but have second thoughts now....

I have only one comment,

Is there a reason you DON'T have the name (Cowboy Hilton) above the door or some other place on the remodel etc. :@ it would seem fitting etc.

Tia,
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nvreloader wrote:
Guys,

Is there a adequate voltage drop calculator, that allows you to be able to specify the wire size, actual/rated voltage output, etc and is relatively Kiss, in using it etc?

I have been using the example posted, and quite confused as to the proper inputs etc.

Tia,
Don


Southwire voltage drop calculator","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-08T22:03:13.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-08T22:03:13.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":218},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2455667/message:2455688","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:39":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:39","position":29,"name":"Nomad","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:108257":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:108257","uid":108257,"login":"time2roll","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-03-21T19:03:16.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:108257"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455687":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2455687","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2455687":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:108257"},"id":"message:2455687","revisionNum":1,"uid":2455687,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2455667"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2455667"},"subject":"Re: Problem with the TH solar project","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455687"},"body":"Yes the calc at 48 volts gives a higher drop percent than you will experience at 60 volts.
Exact drop does not matter, just that you are within specification.
Beat on this all you want, the result is the same.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-08T19:47:55.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-08T19:47:55.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":218},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2455667/message:2455687","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455686":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2455686","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2455686":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:340265"},"id":"message:2455686","revisionNum":1,"uid":2455686,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2455667"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2455667"},"subject":"Re: Problem with the TH solar project","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455686"},"body":"Guys,

Is there a adequate voltage drop calculator, that allows you to be able to specify the wire size, actual/rated voltage output, etc and is relatively Kiss, in using it etc?

I have been using the example posted, and quite confused as to the proper inputs etc.

Tia,
Don","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-08T18:31:04.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-08T18:31:04.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":218},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2455667/message:2455686","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:207827":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:207827","uid":207827,"login":"EsoxLucius","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-02-27T07:23:27.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:207827"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455685":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2455685","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2455685":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:207827"},"id":"message:2455685","revisionNum":1,"uid":2455685,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2455667"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2455667"},"subject":"Re: Problem with the TH solar project","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2455685"},"body":"Yes, voltage drop in volts is the same. 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