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SirBenji
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May 13, 2015

Removing converter and adding charger, inverter, + solar

I recently purchased a 21 ft 1971 Coachman travel trailer. It has an updated electrical system but it is still at least 15 years old I would say. It has a converter with a charger (not a 3-way) and no inverter. Since we do a fair bit of dry camping, I would like to add an inverter as well as removing the converter and adding a smart charger. I don't have the money for a fancy inverter with a built in 3 stage charger so after doing some research, it appears that my best option would be to remove the converter all together and add in a charger. I have a solar panel that can beef up my batteries. When I plug in, my batteries can be topped up by the new charger.

I'm looking for an economical solution and something I can do myself so I've come up with the following. I'd appreciate any technical advice and feedback since I've never put a system like this together.

Removing converter- So I haven't been able to find my DC fuse box, so I'm assuming it's in my converter? I'll need to wire in a new fuse box, has anyone ever done this before? Here is a photo of my electrical compartment with converter (120v breaker box is to the left of converter).



Inverter - Going for a cheap option. Walmart has a Cobra CPI 880 on for $75. It's a basic 800W Msw. We won't be running much of anything off it other than charging laptops, phones, tablets and then running some little Christmas lights or something similar for outside. inverter specs

Charger - Looking at the Genius G7200. Has all the smart features I think I'll need. Sells for $130 at Canadian tire so within my price range. charger details

Install - For the inverter/charger install I'll be following one I found here

I'm going with option 4, so I'll hook up a 30 Amp receptacle in my electrical cabinet so the inverter goes from battery, to inverter, to receptacle. When using the inverter, I turn it on, then plug my shore power cord into the new receptacle and viola! The rig thinks I'm plugged into shore power power and all my lights and outlets work as normal. During the day, my solar panel charges my batteries.

For shore power charging of the batteries, I'll install an outlet in the electrical cabinet that the charger will plug into along with a switch to activate the plug (a double safety to make sure that I'm not using the inverter to charge the batteries- I'll need to plug the charger in AND flip the switch to turn on charging). I'll also need to turn the inverter on so I guess that will be a triple safety.

Monitoring
Due to cost and the relative simplicity of my system, I'm going with a DIY monitoring system that will include a basic voltmeter and ammeter. There are a few posts on here and a lot of people have said that they've done this project, but I haven't found a very detailed description of how to specifically do this including wiring? What are the specs on the voltmeter and ammeter I should be getting and what would be the best wiring configuration? Would this work for the dc side of things and this work for the ac side? My understanding is the voltmeter would determine charge capacity (how much juice is in the batteries) and the ammeter would tell me how much current is going in or out of the batteries (or in from shore power)? I would also like to be able to tell how much juice my solar panel is providing (I have a charge controller, but it's mounted on the panel so it would be nice to have everything in one place).

I realize this is a long post with a lot of info and questions, so I appreciate if you've made it this far! Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to fire questions at me if you need more info!

Thanks!
  • pianotuna wrote:
    Hi,

    The converter does say 20 amps.

    If you must stay msw, then you still should drop the wattage down to 300. There are numerous units at under $40.

    This one may be pure sine wave and is under your 150 limit:

    Samlex


    If you zoom in it says 3 amps for charging
  • Hi,

    The converter does say 20 amps.

    If you must stay msw, then you still should drop the wattage down to 300. There are numerous units at under $40.

    This one may be pure sine wave and is under your 150 limit:

    Samlex
  • Thanks for all your responses!

    2oldman wrote:
    OK that's weird. 100% of us have the charge controller separate from the panel, and in a well-protected space.


    The solar panel is not mounted, it's portable so that's why it's on the panel. So you just unfold it and attach to batteries. I believe it's 150W? Might only be 100W.

    jrnymn7 wrote:
    I recommend a psw inverter, regardless.

    Your batteries will snear at that 7a charger. Check these out... you'll need to monitor and turn off manually (with your switch):

    Megawatt Adjustable Voltage power supply

    Even better, buy one of these:

    VEC 1093 DBD


    I have yet to find a reasonably priced (under $300) PSW inverter. I'm looking to spend half of that max.

    In terms of battery charging, I don't want to have to sit there and watch my batteries. I want a plug in and forget option for a charger. The black and decker is an option since I could just leave it on I suppose.

    MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
    What are you going to use to recharge your battery out in the bush?

    Solar panel

    jrnymn7 wrote:
    How do you plan on powering the 12v fuse box? Off the batteries only? This is basically what I do. (Shore power/gennie or inverter runs all the 120v stuff).

    Yes, entirely off the battery.

    smkettner wrote:
    You are spending too much on an inverter. 300 watts max. Not just the inverter but connecting wire, fuses etc. all make for additional complexity(mo money). I understand Apple is sensitive to MSW. I recommend Go Power sine wave.

    Genius is fine although a bit light for charging with a generator. 30 amp minimum IMO if using a generator. I recommend Progressive Dynamics with Wizard or IOTA with IQ controller.

    As long as you are adding a fuse box... get a combo unit http://www.bestconverter.com/4000-Series-Compact-Power-Center_c_138.html

    I'm good with only 300W, but the pSW inverter is about $220. Significantly more than my $75 option (although undoubtedly better)

    I won't be charging with a generator, only shore power.

    Combo unit = big $. I'm thinking basic auto fuse box for about $20. They'll be right next to each other and I have lots of space.

    pianotuna wrote:

    We need more details on the existing converter. It may well be better than the stand alone charger that you are considering.

    How many amp-hours is the battery bank?

    I agree with other posters, for the list of items you wish to power a 300 watt pure sine wave would be a better choice.

    Here is a pic of my existing converter. My understanding it's only a one stage bulk charge at 3amps until 12.7v:


    Battery bank is about 140AH. Is there a low cost psw inverter (Under $150?)
  • Hi,

    We need more details on the existing converter. It may well be better than the stand alone charger that you are considering.

    How many amp-hours is the battery bank?

    I agree with other posters, for the list of items you wish to power a 300 watt pure sine wave would be a better choice.

    If you do stick with MSW then the AC monitoring may not work correctly. I chose a watt meter. If you plan on staying below 1800 watts then a Kill-a-Watt meter is a "best buy".

    I found some hall effect ammeters for my DC but they are hard to acquire.
  • You are spending too much on an inverter. 300 watts max. Not just the inverter but connecting wire, fuses etc. all make for additional complexity(mo money). I understand Apple is sensitive to MSW. I recommend Go Power sine wave.

    Genius is fine although a bit light for charging with a generator. 30 amp minimum IMO if using a generator. I recommend Progressive Dynamics with Wizard or IOTA with IQ controller.

    As long as you are adding a fuse box... get a combo unit http://www.bestconverter.com/4000-Series-Compact-Power-Center_c_138.html
  • How do you plan on powering the 12v fuse box? Off the batteries only? This is basically what I do. (Shore power/gennie or inverter runs all the 120v stuff).
  • SirBenji wrote:
    I would also like to be able to tell how much juice my solar panel is providing (I have a charge controller, but it's mounted on the panel..
    OK that's weird. 100% of us have the charge controller separate from the panel, and in a well-protected space.