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Sarahps33
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Jan 01, 2022

Sizing a battery bank. Ah VS wh?

Hi again!

So, I'm trying to size out the battery bank I will need for my husband and I to live off grid in a camper. We don't have tons of time or money, so that's a bit of a factor. We plan on using an inverter for pretty much everything. And using either standard lead acid batts or agm. We plan on getting a few solar panels and possibly a small generator if needed.

I've read tons of forums and watched hundreds of youtube videos and it seems like everyone I look into tells me something vastly different, from calculations and formulas to bank size & voltage and so on.

I believe we need roughly 2510 watt hours.
I calculated this by getting the watts of each appliance and multiplying it by the number of hours we'd use it each day.

I tried to do the same thing with amps. I divided the watts by volts to get amps then multiplied it by how many hours we'd use it. I came up with 202 amp hours.

I've read that some folks use 6v batts and wire them both in series and parallel to equal 12v with higher amps, while others just use 12 in parallel, or wire in series for 24v or even 48v.

What really confuses me here is that from what I understand the concern should be amp hour capacity? Or should it be watts hour capacity?

I've seen people ramp up their watt hours by using 24v and 48v batteries while the amps stay quite low. While others ramp up the amp hours by using 6v golf cart batts and get tons of amp hours.

Which one should I be concerned about and why? Do they equal the same thing essentially?

And how in the world do I figure out a batt bank that will fit our needs with all this contradicting info. I'm stumped, lol.

Thanks for reading, looking forward to your responses.
  • Sarahps33 wrote:
    Hi again!
    I believe we need roughly 2510 watt hours.
    I calculated this by getting the watts of each appliance and multiplying it by the number of hours we'd use it each day.

    Good start, but you have to factor in the losses from the inverter. I will use 25% although many only waste shot 10%, so that is about 3100 watt-hours. Wh are Wh regardless of the voltage, but when you want Amp-hours at 12V (instead of 120V) you need to multiply be 10, so about 31,000 Ah !

    Lead acid batteries (6V, 12V, flooded (wet), AGM) should only be discharged to about 80% of their State of Charge (SOC). That would lead you to believe that you need 155,000 Ah at 12v! Cutting it by 4 for 48V Battery is Bank is still 38,750.

    You need to re-do your load calculation. What you really need us a 30A/50A Kill-a-Watt. I have never seen one. With it you can measure your usage directly.
  • In looking at it for a "bang for your buck" type of application look at the 6 volt GC2 batteries, Sams club and others will price the around $100 and 2 will give you a start on a system, with a pretty easy upgrade to four later.
    Again, if looking at the best value, a member in here KD4UPL, lives down in Staunton, he is a solar contractor who installs larger systems for homes. If you have room for the 36 volt residential panels, he may have some leftover from larger jobs, he was great for assisting me with 325 watt panels. Size of these panels is around 66"x 39" so make sure you can fit them on your roof. You will have to install a MPPT controller to reduce the voltage to your battery setup.
    Price on these larger panels is down to about 65 cents a watt, and you may find some for even less. Because of size, shipping on these is high, that's why I suggest contacting the guy in Staunton, you can save on the shipping and just pick up if he has any.
    If your location is to be permanent there in Winchester you could even mount them off to the side of the camper.
  • With little time and little money. Conservation of power will be needed. 200ah daily is a tall order and you will be carrying a lot of dead lead if you have a reserve of a couple days. No sense beating up that horse again it's been beaten in your other thread.

    12v x 100ah= 1,200wh
    24v x 50ah= 1,200wh
    48v x 25ah= 1,200wh

    You are confusing yourself now and will most likely using 12v that's in the trailer already.
  • You were making a big mistake in your AmpHour calculation -- assuming all your appliances run off 120VAC. Your Inverter will draw approximately 100 Amps from the battery in order to provide 10 Amps of 120 Volts AC. Rule of thumb is a ratio of 10 to 1.
  • “We plan on getting a few solar panels and possibly a small generator if needed.”

    Generally you’ll need one solar watt for each wet battery amp as a minimum. Lithium is more IMO. Unsuccessful solar systems are always too small. Generators are costly, loud and require maintenance. Adequate solar eliminates their use most days.
  • Reconsider using an inverter for pretty much everything because there is power loss in going from 12 to 120 volt. Do what you can with 12 volts items. Using 202 amps per day is a bunch of power and would necessitate a wet battery bank of at least 400 amps. A 300 amp Lithium battery would be smaller and weigh less while offering 3000 to 5000 cycles vs. 300 to 500 on wet or AMGs. About $1000.
  • The chances you'll be going to 24 or 48 volts is probably about zero, so amp-hours is fine. I think we've already been around the block on this.

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