Surge Guard Protector..????

Edd505 wrote:
I see posts like this hard wire so it won't get stolen. How many thefts in CG's are there?? Years camping and never lost a thing, camp setup & gone all day. Worked an area with a state park with over a million visitors, one theft in 25 years, couple kids stole sleeping bags.

I do not know how common campground theft is.. But I do know that if you are tired and it is late in the day you may be tempted to say "oh forget it" and regret dang near instantly especially with a 30 amp rig.

Campground in fact the very campsite I just left it found a problem.

Management fixed it but hey.. There was a problem

DFord wrote:
Advice I've received said to stay away from Surge Guard products. I know from experience, Camco's top of the line protector is a bad investment. When mine failed due to water intrusion (it was never immersed in water but did hang outside for a month when it rained several times - it claimed to be water resistant), I called asking where I could get it repaired and was told it was not repairable. $250 on a non-repairable item doesn't sit well with me - never again. The Progressive line of protectors has a lifetime warranty that users say they stand behind.

https://www.progressiveindustries.net/our-products

Just to clarify Southwire Surge Guard now have lifetime warranty and also detect load side issues, I know hard to believe an RV maybe miswired.

jolvi wrote:

DFord wrote:
Advice I've received said to stay away from Surge Guard products. I know from experience, Camco's top of the line protector is a bad investment. When mine failed due to water intrusion (it was never immersed in water but did hang outside for a month when it rained several times - it claimed to be water resistant), I called asking where I could get it repaired and was told it was not repairable. $250 on a non-repairable item doesn't sit well with me - never again. The Progressive line of protectors has a lifetime warranty that users say they stand behind.

https://www.progressiveindustries.net/our-products

Just to clarify Southwire Surge Guard now have lifetime warranty and also detect load side issues, I know hard to believe an RV maybe miswired.

THANKS... CHECKED IN TO THE SOUTHWIRE SURGE PROTECTION and I do see a difference in the joules, the progressive EMS-PT30X has 1790 JOULES and the SOUTHWIRE has a 2450 JOULES rating. Is 660 JOULES difference that big of thing???? I still like the PROGRESSIVE look and cover but if 660 JOULES (not even sure what they are, LOL) is that much better maybe I will rethink...................THANKS


SOUTHWIRE 34931 MODEL...

wa8yxm wrote:

Edd505 wrote:
I see posts like this hard wire so it won't get stolen. How many thefts in CG's are there?? Years camping and never lost a thing, camp setup & gone all day. Worked an area with a state park with over a million visitors, one theft in 25 years, couple kids stole sleeping bags.

I do not know how common campground theft is.. But I do know that if you are tired and it is late in the day you may be tempted to say "oh forget it" and regret dang near instantly especially with a 30 amp rig.

Campground in fact the very campsite I just left it found a problem.

Management fixed it but hey.. There was a problem

Why wouldn't you just leave the EMS plugged into the end of the power cable and then plug the EMS into the pedestal. There's no need to unplug the EMS every time you disconnect. Mine was plugged into the power cord when I bought it and it's never been unplugged. KISS.

joelyn wrote:

THANKS... CHECKED IN TO THE SOUTHWIRE SURGE PROTECTION and I do see a difference in the joules, the progressive EMS-PT30X has 1790 JOULES and the SOUTHWIRE has a 2450 JOULES rating. Is 660 JOULES difference that big of thing???? I still like the PROGRESSIVE look and cover but if 660 JOULES (not even sure what they are, LOL) is that much better maybe I will rethink...................THANKS

Joules are a measure of energy, in this case energy that can be absorbed from transient surges. ("Surges" here mean quick spikes that are significantly higher voltage than expected.) Neither are anywhere near what it would take to protect from a very close lightning strike, which is probably the most common cause of significant surge damage. I would not worry about that difference one bit.

DrewE wrote:

joelyn wrote:

THANKS... CHECKED IN TO THE SOUTHWIRE SURGE PROTECTION and I do see a difference in the joules, the progressive EMS-PT30X has 1790 JOULES and the SOUTHWIRE has a 2450 JOULES rating. Is 660 JOULES difference that big of thing???? I still like the PROGRESSIVE look and cover but if 660 JOULES (not even sure what they are, LOL) is that much better maybe I will rethink...................THANKS

Joules are a measure of energy, in this case energy that can be absorbed from transient surges. ("Surges" here mean quick spikes that are significantly higher voltage than expected.) Neither are anywhere near what it would take to protect from a very close lightning strike, which is probably the most common cause of significant surge damage. I would not worry about that difference one bit.

Great explanation and advice. Guess I will stay with the PROGRESSIVE since that had had the better reviews from what I have been reading.
Thank u for ur response..

DrewE wrote:

joelyn wrote:

THANKS... CHECKED IN TO THE SOUTHWIRE SURGE PROTECTION and I do see a difference in the joules, the progressive EMS-PT30X has 1790 JOULES and the SOUTHWIRE has a 2450 JOULES rating. Is 660 JOULES difference that big of thing???? I still like the PROGRESSIVE look and cover but if 660 JOULES (not even sure what they are, LOL) is that much better maybe I will rethink...................THANKS

Joules are a measure of energy, in this case energy that can be absorbed from transient surges. ("Surges" here mean quick spikes that are significantly higher voltage than expected.) Neither are anywhere near what it would take to protect from a very close lightning strike, which is probably the most common cause of significant surge damage. I would not worry about that difference one bit.

Drew E u were spot on in ur explanation of joules. here is a pretty good article to read if anyone else out there is looking for info on a EMS plug.....

What Are Joules And Are They A True Indicator Of Product Quality?

Among the other specifications found in the above 'surge protectors' for RVs reviews, you will see the joule rating displayed.

You will notice that the Southwire 'surge protectors' have a higher joule rating than the Progressive Industries 'surge protectors'. But what does this mean and is it important?

First, let's explain what a Joule is. I don't know about you, but my eyes bug out when I read Wikipedia's definition of Joule. So let's see if we can simplify what it is.

A Joule in the context of RV 'surge protector' for RVs is the maximum amount of energy that a 'surge protector' can absorb and dissipate as heat.

This comes into play when there is a voltage spike or power surge in the power supply. So in theory, the higher the Joule rating the better. But does this really matter?

One of the MOST important factors when looking at a surge protection for RVs is the response time.

In other words, how quickly the camper 'surge protector' will respond, for example, to a sudden voltage spike.

You want this to be an incredibly small number, so that the power supply issue doesn't have a chance to damage your RV.

The Progressive Industries 'surge protectors' for RVs have a response time of less than 1 nanosecond (one billionth of a second). That's a really small number, and thus a really fast response time.

So while Progressive Industries might have a lower Joule rating than Southwire, it really doesn't matter.

The Progressive Industries unit will have disconnected from the faulty power source before the excessive energy needs to be dissipated, thus protecting your RV.

This in one of the many reasons we picked Progressive Industries as having the best RV 'surge protectors'.
Portable Or Permanent Surge Protector?


HERE IS THE ENTIRE ARTICLE IF ANYONE WANTS TO READ IT......................

SURGE PROTECTOR INFO

Flute Man wrote:
My recommendation is to go with the best PI unit that you can get. This is no place to skimp. I have seen under ground faults from one pedestal To Another causing very high voltage to enter the RV and did considerable damage. I personally have the best that PI offers.
My PI unit plugs into the pedestal and hangs right there. I have had it for over 15 years and it has never been stolen. I personally prefer the portable one rather than the hardwired unit.

Hard wired or portable - PI is the best way to go, with the best warranty.

Autoformer is a "nice to have". The PI is "essential" to have.

Do your research - and "search" (on the topic) here.

BTW - pass on Campingworld...:(


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joelyn wrote:

My TT doesn't have a lot of electronics in other than a 60 amp convertor, refer and A.C unit along with the other standard plugs etc...
Any suggestions as to which one might be good enough for my older TT??

Old or new RV.....You don't want to "CHEAP OUT" - here's why, and see what *did* happen to lots of A.C. units, refers, etc.:

The Electrician said "OOPS"...:(

*Be sure to read the second post by "bill socal" further down the first page of the thread - -

The electrician said "oops"...a little more"

:W

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“Auto former is a totally different piece of equipment”

Good to know, CAVIE, that an autoformer is TOTALLY different! Except you are wrong. Catch up!

Per Hughes at: https://hughesautoformers.com/product/30-amp-3600-watt-booster-with-surge/

“Introducing the World’s Only “All-in-One” RV Power Solution.

The legendary, original, and patented RV voltage booster, now with the world’s most advanced surge protection.

The all new Hughes Autoformer 30 amp power boosting autoformer (RV2130SP) has the same performance and reliability of the RV2130 but now has advanced surge protection built in! The unit offers 2,400 Joules of surge protection. As an added feature, the surge / spike protection module is also replaceable. In the event of a massive spike, the surge unit will take the hit ensuring your booster and more importantly, your RV is not damaged.”