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- BFL13Explorer II
jrnymn7 wrote:
BFL, not to put you on the spot, but to hopefully jog your memory, I found one of your posts from june 2011 while looking for info on the pm3-100's:
"Posted By: BFL13 on 06/22/11 11:07am
(UPDATE added new post on thread )
What follows is not guaranteed info but my interpretation of info--so if spending money get it confirmed!
Talking to the company, they clarify that the PM3-100 has a power factor corrected version and a non-power factor corrected version."
I also noticed a while back your 100 has FOUR 20a fuses? I always thought that was a little odd? But I found one on youtube with only 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyzD4an76yA
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EDIT--I see on that video one that says 14.6v on it, so that is a Randy one I guess where the main ones were 14.4v Mine does not have that list of voltages on the label but it does say PM3-100 on the label
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Could be the non-PFC one was a PM not a PM3, or I could have got that mixed up with the one that had a boost button (WFCO clone) and the PowerMax one that had no boost button--- it seems they were in rapid flux ramping up the new company and quickly went through various versions of their line up.
My PM3-100 I got in early 2012 has four 40a. The one in that video has three except when he looks at it from a different angle it looks like four (or I am going blind) but his are stacked vertically however many there are, while mine are horizontal.
I got my PM3-100 in early 2012. It is PF corrected. At the time they were already looking at doing that 15 min thing (I complained about the 13.2 WFCO method mine did) and I think maybe but don't know some PM3s from mid 2012 on got that feature, before they started the PM4 line.
Meanwhile Randy was off making up his own version of these things with his own specs and called his version Boondockers. It's all hard to pin down.
My basic recommendation is that you can get a PM4 adjustable or a WFCO 98100 with the boost button and have a warranty, or for $100 less, you can take a chance on a PM3-100 and modify it yourself with no warranty. And it seems not all PM3s are the same just to make it more exciting :) - NinerBikesExplorer
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
88 dollars more in Cheapowatts. Six X 25 = 150 amps. Houses down here have 30-amp breakers. The 2 watt 10 turn pot can handle the gang of six while individual 10 turn cermets on the units will allow precision balance tweaking of voltage settings.
(Toccata and Fugue in D Minor -Bach)
I just have to make sure I don't run into a battery bank that'll suck this puppy's guts out.
Oops, is this in the right thread, Mex? - jrnymn7ExplorerBFL, not to put you on the spot, but to hopefully jog your memory, I found one of your posts from june 2011 while looking for info on the pm3-100's:
"Posted By: BFL13 on 06/22/11 11:07am
(UPDATE added new post on thread )
What follows is not guaranteed info but my interpretation of info--so if spending money get it confirmed!
Talking to the company, they clarify that the PM3-100 has a power factor corrected version and a non-power factor corrected version."
I also noticed a while back your 100 has FOUR 20a fuses? I always thought that was a little odd? But I found one on youtube with only 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyzD4an76yA - jrnymn7Explorer"So a 65 amp charger can draw about 900 watts from the generator for the first hour, and less each additional hour. You could run two of them on a Honda 2000, as they will start out a little above the 1,600 watt rating, but will fall within the max range within 45 minutes or so."
If that were true, I'd be doing it.
Generators are at least 10X the cost of a battery, and yet many folks are so concerned with getting an extra year or so out of their batteries, they gladly blow thru an extra gennie to do so? - MEXICOWANDERERExplorer88 dollars more in Cheapowatts. Six X 25 = 150 amps. Houses down here have 30-amp breakers. The 2 watt 10 turn pot can handle the gang of six while individual 10 turn cermets on the units will allow precision balance tweaking of voltage settings.
(Toccata and Fugue in D Minor -Bach)
I just have to make sure I don't run into a battery bank that'll suck this puppy's guts out. - Golden_HVACExplorerYou can do anything that you want. Budget might constrain that though. And what weight generator are you happy with? Do you plan on running a A/C every once in a while?
IF you don't want to run a A/C unit, but perhaps a microwave every once in a while, then a Honda 47 pound 2000 generator (that has a 30 minute 2,000 watt rating, but reality is a 1,600 watt generator for hours on end) will work great! A pair of the same generator can be connected together, and still be light, and still run a 13,500 or 15,000 Btu air conditioner.
From what I hear, the 3000 watt generators can start a cold A/C unit, however once warm, the start up amperage can go higher, and re-starting on a warm day might not happen.
If you already have a built in 4,000 or larger RV generator, then you are all ready to go.
A 30 amp charger can use about 450 watts. 65 amps is one of the largest that you can plug into the wall, and wire with reasonable size wire.
8 batteries is 880 amp hours at 12 volts. Chances are that you will not remove more than about 500 amp hours. So it can take 10 hours or so with a 65 amp charger. Two chargers can cut that time by about 1/2.
If you get a solar system, it can also charge the batteries. I had a 415 watt solar system, and 4 batteries. It could make up for 110 amp hours used overnight, as well as the 35 amp hour daily load to run the refrigerator, CO meter and propane detector.
More batteries = extra weight to bring along, and that does not help anything in a portable home. Also the batteries will lose some energy just because a battery can lose 10% of it's capacity every 3 months. So you will lose 88 AH every 3 months just to in-efficiency, or about 30 AH monthly, or 1 AH daily. 4 batteries would be about 0.5 AH daily loss.
So a 65 amp charger can draw about 900 watts from the generator for the first hour, and less each additional hour. You could run two of them on a Honda 2000, as they will start out a little above the 1,600 watt rating, but will fall within the max range within 45 minutes or so.
The "Ideal" charge rate is C/20. So a 200 amp hour battery would charge at 1/20 if it's capacity, or 10 amps per hour for 20 hours. C/10 can warm the battery a little bit, and C-5 can warm the battery significantly (40 amps per 200 AH capacity). It will also require a higher charging voltage. . C/20 will allow maximum battery life, while C/5 will heat the plates, and can warp them.
So 880 amp hours = max charge rate around 175 amps. 88 amps will lead to longer generator run time, and 10 hours if the battery where to get totally depleted and you charged it from the generator.
Personally I did not need more than 4 batteries. If you have a CPAP or electric refrigerator, then 8 batteries might be required, yet just watching 8-10 hours of Direct TV, 4 batteries and a 400 watt solar system was fine. I only ran my generator if I was camped more than 10 nights in one place AND it was winter. Summer provided plenty of power each day.
My solar system would put out about 125 AH daily. That is MUCH better than listening to a generator for hours on end! And charging at 35 amps from solar is so much easier on the batteries.
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You should also consider a Olympic catalytic heater. It does not use any 12 volt power, and can put out 6,000 or 8,000 Btu's. You do need to keep a roof vent partly open.
With LED lights, then the loads on the battery can drop dramatically.
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Have fun camping!
Fred. - GordonThreeExplorerHave you read about the "boonhauler"? I think the builder is active on this forum but detailed his custom boondocker trailer build elsewhere.
- mena661Explorer
Acei wrote:
Good to see people thinking about water capacity as a priority vs energy capacity as the priority. Energy capacity is easy IMO, water is the hard part. I will say to make sure the electronics you buy is as low power as possible. For example: I have a 26" LCD TV that only draws a little over 2A DC. And that's through an inverter. There are ZERO 12V TV's that draw that little and even smaller TV's like Niner's 22 inch draw more (sorry Niner! :B). It all adds up.
Currently, I'm trying to see if it is feasible to build a short trailer that contains:
- 200g fresh water tank
- 130g grey water tank
- 100g black water tank
- 8 batteries
- 9 solar panels
- a residential fridge
- a 55-inch TV
- a generator
- some cabinets
- and a nice sofa in front of the TV, along with two small tables that myself and my wife can do some work on. - EsoxLuciusExplorerGood luck with that!
- AceiExplorerLOL. Its nothing special - this is one of the possible full-timing scenario. I've been looking at Class A/Grand Cherokee as one, Ram 3500 Dually/New Horizon 40ft as the other, and the third case is a B+ towing a custom trailer with a special mission - lots of electrical power, water capacity and some living room but no kitchen/bathroom etc. I'm calling it 'mobile station'. :)
I need them because although we plan to full-time, I'm not retired so I still need the stuff I would need at home, and not just for few hours but 7-8 hours minimum per day. This includes a large screen TV which is useful not just for watching sports but also for my work. :) But at the same time, my wife LOVES national park settings which tends to be small so my 40ft A-Class or New Horizon are not very friendly on those sites. My idea is to get a 25ft B+ van to pull a 20ft trailer that fits in a typical camping site that has no hookups. I realize I won't be able to fit into every tent sites but I'm pretty sure many will.
Currently, I'm trying to see if it is feasible to build a short trailer that contains:
- 200g fresh water tank
- 130g grey water tank
- 100g black water tank
- 8 batteries
- 9 solar panels
- a residential fridge
- a 55-inch TV
- a generator
- some cabinets
- and a nice sofa in front of the TV, along with two small tables that myself and my wife can do some work on.
Basically, this trailer will also act as a mobile dumping station which in turn, will be dumped once every two weeks.
I've used the Battery sizing sheet and it says I need 373.3Ah.
Nothing is certain yet though, still debating which is the best way to go. :)
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