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SoundGuy
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Oct 02, 2016

Trailer Battery Load Support

As a followup to my recent discussion about my newly acquired CTEK Multi US 7002 Charger I'd be interested in some further input on the subject of trailer battery load support. :)

First, I should clarify that we normally camp on electric sites, only occasionally "dry camp" when campsite shore power either brown outs or fails completely. :M The few times this happens each season we'd still prefer to power a few devices, most particularly the toaster (650 watts) and coffee maker (550 watts) and to that end last year I installed a 1000 watt PSW inverter. I've also since installed dedicated duplex receptacles in the camper which are powered directly from the inverter so there's no need for a transfer switch, turn the converter off, or force the fridge to gas. The only catch has been that my single G27 Interstate battery does struggle with the toaster load, the obvious solution being to upgrade to a pair of GC-2s or G31s. This however is beginning to strike me as "overkill" considering the very few times each season we'd need this much battery reserve. I'm also reluctant to invest in a pair of new batteries when I know how unsuitable the WFCO 8955 converter in our trailer really is for properly maintaining those batteries. The CTEK will solve that but only for one battery since it's rated to properly bulk charge a battery reserve of no more than 150 AH. Yes, I could recharge a pair of G31s individually but couldn't if I alternately chose a pair of 6 volt GC-2s.

This morning I plugged the trailer Bargman into the truck for load support and with the truck running found that instead of battery voltage dropping into the 11s and causing the inverter to alarm with the toaster running that voltage didn't drop any lower than 12.3 volts. :) Next I dug out a 12' booster cable, connected the truck battery directly to the trailer battery, and with the truck running the lowest voltage I saw with the toaster operating was now 13.35 volts. :B This result has me now thinking, considering the limited number of times we'd camp without shore power, that I might just forego dual batteries, replace my aging G27 with a new G31 next spring, run the truck for the limited number of minutes I'd need to provide load support for the trailer battery, and use the CTEK instead of the WFCO to properly maintain this battery.

Any input on this idea of using the truck (running) as occasional load support to the trailer battery when powering the inverter would be appreciated. :)
  • pianotuna wrote:
    I would stay away from group 31 jars.

    Move to a Group 29 AGM. The lower resistance design will power the toaster with easy if the cables to the inverter are short and fat enough. I have found the AGM charge considerably faster, too.


    Curious about your adversity to a G31 - you mean both flooded and AGM? :h

    With my inverter mounted in the trailer's front pass through storage compartment the run to the battery is wired with 6' of 4 gauge which seems to be within spec for the ~ 60 amp load I'm placing on it. There's no practical way to shorten the length but I was thinking of replacing the cable with 2 gauge.

    As I mentioned in my CTEK thread "I know a guy" and can buy an East Penn (a.k.a. Deka) battery at slightly over cost. However, the range of choices I have available to me are limited - no G29, whether flooded or AGM, so I'd have to either go G27 or G31. BFL13's suggestion of a 150 AH T-1275 is interesting but being Trojan I'd probably have to pay full retail for it. I seem to recall also that Trojan recommends bulk charge @ 14.8 volts rather than 14.4 volts so that would be a consideration also.

    When the 12 volt Marine flooded were on their last legs, I would start the engine on my class C to support running the microwave. The micro would still run without the alternator support, but the inverter would scream at me.


    Exactly what happens to me with my current flooded G27. Toaster will run for a few seconds but soon the inverter starts protesting ... supporting it with the truck running prevents this. AGMs cost quite a bit more than flooded equivalents but if one AGM would support this inverter load without protest that would be enough to convince me as I'd obviously rather not run the truck if I didn't have to.
  • Load support will cut your recharge time considerably.
    If the 7002 has worked for you in the past and using load support now you might just continue to get by on the 7002 just fine.
  • Hi SoundGuy,

    I would stay away from group 31 jars.

    Move to a Group 29 AGM. The lower resistance design will power the toaster with easy if the cables to the inverter are short and fat enough. I have found the AGM charge considerably faster, too.

    When the 12 volt Marine flooded were on their last legs, I would start the engine on my class C to support running the microwave. The micro would still run without the alternator support, but the inverter would scream at me.

    My "new to me" batteries are telecom tower AGM take outs at 139.2 amp-hours each. They are unusual as they are a surplus acid design. That means I have to be careful about depth of discharge. I basically treat them as if they were flooded--except for charging and float voltages.

    They weigh 105 lbs each and are a fairly tall battery. They may be available at your local interstate store and the cost was $124.00 each, with no core charge.
  • SoundGuy wrote:
    The CTEK will solve that but only for one battery since it's rated to properly bulk charge a battery reserve of no more than 150 AH. Yes, I could recharge a pair of G31s individually but couldn't if I alternately chose a pair of 6 volt GC-2s.


    bulk via WFCO, vehicle, PD or stand alone and let the '8 stage' do proper abs till FULL.
  • Since it is for breakfast, it is all about the time of day you do that in the campground. I find the main value of the inverter is you can run things early without bothering anybody and then recharge the batts later in the day.

    Before getting a 31, do read LY's thread on his "Screwy 31" for the extra work keeping that thing going (which he did very well)

    One of the guys posted some measurements here a while back on how his single AGM was able to run high amp loads with not much voltage sag so you might find a single AGM will do you just fine

    Or maybe look at a single T-1275. (150AH) I really, really like my T-1275s for all sorts of reasons. I now prefer them over my 6s if I had to choose, and I do like my 6s.