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dgcarousel
Explorer
May 29, 2013

unable to use headlights without draining battery

This has happened twice to us. while driving we loose headlights windshield wiper etc. The first time we chalked it up heavy rains and possibly a short with the headlights. We have a 1981 Tioga c class with a 1982 Chevy 350 5.7. We have two 12 volt batteries.

I have read many posts giving some really good advice. I know just enough about engines to not scared to do the work myself but am far from an expert.

We have a new battery and alternator, the isolator is who knows how old. I have been told the alternator needs to be replaced to the battery to the isolator.

I was told we should put a new alternator that has a higher out put. I think the one we have only ours out 63 amps. I have also read that we should be careful to not put to high of an out put in.

Desperately seeking some advice. This last trip we stopped at a parts store they tested the output from the alternator and it read different results depending on where he tested.

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    Voltmeter. At the isolator (the type with fins and three studs)

    Start engine BE CAREFUL. Select VOLTS

    Touch Positive test lead to CENTER stud on isolator

    Touch NEGATIVE test lead to EACH outer studs. Scrape through corrosion

    Do you read voltage higher than 1.1 volts on ANY of the two studs check?

    If YES the isolator is BAD. Scrap it.
  • wa8yxm's avatar
    wa8yxm
    Explorer III
    If you can't use headlights without killing battery one of two conditions exists.

    1: On older cars with "V" type fan belts the blets do stretch as they age and need to be re-tightened. (1:B on one car I had they put on the wrong belt).

    2: If you have a serpentine belt, and it has not broken (They do break on occasion) then the alternator has failed and needs either rebuilding or replacement.
  • I have one of these to let me know what is going on with my electric. You will be able to know what is happening at all times. I had my alternator fail going from Reno to Klamath falls. I found a Napa and put in a new alternator in the parking lot. My rig waas a 86 Chevy class C.

    With a voltage monitor you will be able to see what happens when you turn on different accessories.

    I agree with other posters that 63 amps is not enough. Mine I beleive was 90 amps. You can easily go above 120 amps as well. High amp alternators do not perform as well at idle as lower amp units and that is the caution for a higher amp unit.

    When I had my class C I was checking amp usage of different accessories with my clamp meter and the headlights use up a lot with all the clearence lights ETC. I think it was pushing 40 with the headlights on.

    I made it to Klamath falls, after the alternator failed, by running the gen and letting the converter assist the alternator to keep my volts up.

    Paul
  • I would also recommend a minimum 90amp alternator. Your factory rated 63amp alternator only puts out that much power at max rpm when cold. When it warms up the efficiency goes down to about 50a.p at max rpm. Driving around output probably about 40amp.

    The following are round numbers:

    Engine 20amp
    Heater 20amp
    Headlights 20amp
    Radio 2amp

    Unknown power for recharging two separate batteries.

    Most alternators are cold rated. The special ones are hot rated. Meaning it's tested after its warmed up. I have a 160amp hot rated welding alternator in my jeep.
  • Alternator should keep the battery charged in all conditions. I am thinking the alternator is weak or shot.
  • dgcarousel wrote:
    We are getting 12.2 to the starting battery when the engine is off and 12.4 when it is running. The alternator to the house battery is just over 13 volts. Sounds like I need to have to get the battery and alternator replaced. This something I can do with a little muscle help.

    DG,

    You have something wrong in the charging circuit. Without being there to run the checks I normally would for a client, I cannot tell you where. Your current alternator should be adequate to the load you have.

    The readings you post tell me that something is wrong at or about the isolator. When the main engine is above idle, the voltage measured at the two outer posts of the isolator should be very close and the center that is connected directly to the alternator should be about 0.6V higher.

    A resting fully charged 12V battery should be 12.6V.
    A battery needs to get to a terminal of 13.6~14.2 to charge very much at all.

    Good Luck Guy

    Matt
  • Most auto parts house and tire outlets will test your batteries (both coach and chassis) for free - that would be my first stop. Also have the alternator tested as it sounds like it needs replacing or wiring is amiss.
  • We are getting 12.2 to the starting battery when the engine is off and 12.4 when it is running. The alternator to the house battery is just over 13 volts. Sounds like I need to have to get the battery and alternator replaced. This something I can do with a little muscle help.
  • Do a couple of easy checks before you start throwing money at it. Measure your battery voltage at the starting battery with everything turned off. Hopefully it is at least 12.4 volts (should be 12.6 or greater). Then start the engine and remeasure volts at the battery. Should be well above 13.6 and likely 14.5 or so. If this measurement works then turn on everything you can think of. Remeaasure voltage both starting and house battery. The alternator should keep voltage roughly the same as the original running voltage. If the alternator doesn't put out close to 14 volts with minimal load and maintain that voltage with everything on then your alternator is not working correctly or not large enough. 63 amp seems low so if you do replace I would get at least a 90 amp if not larger, and no there is no such thing as too large within reason.

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