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BobsYourUncle
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Dec 07, 2013

What temperature does propane stop flowing?

Getting a tad nippy out, living here in the TT.

Supposed to get down to minus 32C tonight. (about -25.6F)

Cooking dinner just now, oven on baking some salmon, furnace trying to keep this thing warm and 2 burners on the stove going.

I noticed that although one burner was on high, the flame was only maybe 30% of what it should be. Furnace shut off and the flame jumped up to high.

Don't think the bottle is near empty yet, I've only had it in use for a day and a half.

I'm thinking maybe it is too cold for the propane to boil off and flow.

Anybody know what temperature that propane stops flowing without warming the bottles?

I should have listened to pianotuna and bought an electric blanket for the tanks. Meant to, but never got around to it - too busy trying to work outside in this cool weather.

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  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
    Navigator
    Jan 16, 2024

    Since you must be plugged in at, wherever you can “camp” in Calgary in the winter, are you limited on power, or is there some other aversion to some electric heat?  Would seem to be an easier and likely cheaper short term solution since the LP furnace probably chews through the LP quickly anyways. 
    Another option, have spare tanks stored inside to rotate into the mix and keep em on the full side to help with boiling a greater volume. 
    or use some of your power to heat the tanks. Literally a small magnetic block heater on the tank you’re using and an old blanket around it will make the problem disappear. 
    idk depends how long you need the solution for. 
    good luck and stay warm!

    • W8-4-me's avatar
      W8-4-me
      Explorer
      Jan 18, 2024
      Taken from a web site.
      -44 degrees Fahrenheit
       A propane tank's cold temperature limit is -44 degrees Fahrenheit — at that point, propane turns from a gas to a liquid. Propane can only heat your home when it's in a gaseous state, not when it's a liquid.
  • naturist's avatar
    naturist
    Nomad
    Jan 14, 2024

    Don't forget, as propane (or LPG) evaporates to run your furnace/cooktop/etc., it cools the liquid in the tank. So while it might flow just fine at -39 under a light load, if you try to run a lot of stuff, it might stop being useful at much higher ambient temperatures. When it gets below -30, you might need a 'lectric blanket out there around the tank. And the problem would be much worse the smaller your tank is. Feeding all those appliances off a thousand gallon residential tank would work much better than off a 20 pound RV tank.

  • ktmrfs's avatar
    ktmrfs
    Explorer II
    Dec 09, 2013
    down home wrote:
    probably not the case here but another thing to be watched.
    Some suppliers not only put propane int their tanks but butane and other heavy and light ends. Works ok in warm weather but you are shortchanged since they don''t have the same energy. When colder the "propane" may not flow too well or at all.
    Sometimes it pays to ask and make sure. Others the people filling the tank don't know.


    bigger issue is that butane has a much higher boiling point and lower vapor pressure. If you can't get it to boil then no gas.

    There is a difference between "propane" and LPG "liquified petroleum gas". propane is propane only. LPG can be either pure propane or a mix of propane, butane etc.
  • ktmrfs's avatar
    ktmrfs
    Explorer II
    Dec 09, 2013
    MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
    LPG needs an appropriately large SURFACE AREA to vaporize liquid into gas. I installed a large hydronic heating system in a repair garage in the Sierra Nevada Mountains many years ago. A one million BTU boiler. At -25C it took four 500 gallon tanks set to offer enough surface area to gasify fuel for the boiler.

    A vertical tank offers a poor relationship of surface area to gas storage. But nothing can be done about it except heat the tank. I've seen folks use an infrared LPG heater placed a meter distant from a big tank in an emergency.


    yes. In fact most propane suppliers have graphs that will show the max BTU/hr that can be drawn from a tank at a given min ambient temperature when the tanks is at a low level, say 10% off initial capacity.

    They use those graphs to determine the minimum size tank to supply an application taking into account the maximum draw. And why the bigger tanks are horizontal cylinders. But even with a horizontal cylinder, as you get near empty, the surface area is going down as well as you get near the bottom of the tank.

    IIRC while a 7.5 gallon vertical tank is common for RV applications, it is actually undersized for a typical furnace draw below about 40F. And it gets worse when the furnace and HWH turn on.

    I know my 7.5 gallon tank will switch over with about 1.5 gallons left if the HWH and furance come on in the morning with temps in the low 40's. I just wait till late in the morning and switch back to get the last gallon or so out of the tank.
  • down_home's avatar
    down_home
    Explorer II
    Dec 09, 2013
    probably not the case here but another thing to be watched.
    Some suppliers not only put propane int their tanks but butane and other heavy and light ends. Works ok in warm weather but you are shortchanged since they don''t have the same energy. When colder the "propane" may not flow too well or at all.
    Sometimes it pays to ask and make sure. Others the people filling the tank don't know.
  • MEXICOWANDERER's avatar
    MEXICOWANDERER
    Explorer
    Dec 09, 2013
    LPG needs an appropriately large SURFACE AREA to vaporize liquid into gas. I installed a large hydronic heating system in a repair garage in the Sierra Nevada Mountains many years ago. A one million BTU boiler. At -25C it took four 500 gallon tanks set to offer enough surface area to gasify fuel for the boiler.

    A vertical tank offers a poor relationship of surface area to gas storage. But nothing can be done about it except heat the tank. I've seen folks use an infrared LPG heater placed a meter distant from a big tank in an emergency.
  • gmctoyman's avatar
    gmctoyman
    Explorer
    Dec 08, 2013
    More than you wanted to know.
    http://www.documentation.emersonprocess.com/groups/public/documents/bulletins/d4500147t012.pdf

    Much easier.
    http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=10186.0
  • wa8yxm's avatar
    wa8yxm
    Explorer III
    Dec 08, 2013
    I have heard a few claims of temp for the vapor point of propane.

    I like to research and it's running in another tab now. the round figure is -40 your choice of C or F but it turns out -44F (About -42 C) is right.

    here is the link

    http://www.propane101.com/aboutpropane.htm
  • BobsYourUncle's avatar
    BobsYourUncle
    Nomad
    Dec 08, 2013
    last night was the lowest temperature for the next little while.
    As soon as it got to about -25C (-13F) it worked fine again.

    But I will follow Don's suggestion and get a heating pad of some kind to keep in here for future cold weather.

    I was a bit concerned when the furnace couldn't keep up and the temp was dropping inside here. I can stay warm no problem but it's my plumbing freezing that concerns me.

    Moving on to Medicine Hat tomorrow or Monday for the next part of my adventure!!

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Supposed to get down to minus 32C tonight. (about -25.6F)

Cooking dinner just now, oven on baking some salmon, furnace trying to keep this thing warm and 2 burners on the stove going.

I noticed that although one burner was on high, the flame was only maybe 30% of what it should be. Furnace shut off and the flame jumped up to high.

Don't think the bottle is near empty yet, I've only had it in use for a day and a half.

I'm thinking maybe it is too cold for the propane to boil off and flow.

Anybody know what temperature that propane stops flowing without warming the bottles?

I should have listened to pianotuna and bought an electric blanket for the tanks. Meant to, but never got around to it - too busy trying to work outside in this cool weather.","body@stringLength":"881","rawBody":"Getting a tad nippy out, living here in the TT.

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I noticed that although one burner was on high, the flame was only maybe 30% of what it should be. Furnace shut off and the flame jumped up to high.

Don't think the bottle is near empty yet, I've only had it in use for a day and a half.

I'm thinking maybe it is too cold for the propane to boil off and flow.

Anybody know what temperature that propane stops flowing without warming the bottles?

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Since you must be plugged in at, wherever you can “camp” in Calgary in the winter, are you limited on power, or is there some other aversion to some electric heat?  Would seem to be an easier and likely cheaper short term solution since the LP furnace probably chews through the LP quickly anyways. 
Another option, have spare tanks stored inside to rotate into the mix and keep em on the full side to help with boiling a greater volume. 
or use some of your power to heat the tanks. Literally a small magnetic block heater on the tank you’re using and an old blanket around it will make the problem disappear. 
idk depends how long you need the solution for. 
good luck and stay warm!

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Taken from a web site.
-44 degrees Fahrenheit
 A propane tank's cold temperature limit is -44 degrees Fahrenheit — at that point, propane turns from a gas to a liquid. Propane can only heat your home when it's in a gaseous state, not when it's a liquid.
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Don't forget, as propane (or LPG) evaporates to run your furnace/cooktop/etc., it cools the liquid in the tank. So while it might flow just fine at -39 under a light load, if you try to run a lot of stuff, it might stop being useful at much higher ambient temperatures. When it gets below -30, you might need a 'lectric blanket out there around the tank. And the problem would be much worse the smaller your tank is. Feeding all those appliances off a thousand gallon residential tank would work much better than off a 20 pound RV tank.

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I remember our LP stopped flowing at 54643

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down home wrote:
probably not the case here but another thing to be watched.
Some suppliers not only put propane int their tanks but butane and other heavy and light ends. Works ok in warm weather but you are shortchanged since they don''t have the same energy. When colder the \"propane\" may not flow too well or at all.
Sometimes it pays to ask and make sure. Others the people filling the tank don't know.


bigger issue is that butane has a much higher boiling point and lower vapor pressure. If you can't get it to boil then no gas.

There is a difference between \"propane\" and LPG \"liquified petroleum gas\". propane is propane only. LPG can be either pure propane or a mix of propane, butane etc.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-12-09T10:18:19.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-12-09T10:18:19.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1682},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:843251/message:843286","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:843285":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:843285","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:843285":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:12180"},"id":"message:843285","revisionNum":1,"uid":843285,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:843251"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:843251"},"subject":"Re: What temperature does propane stop flowing?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:843285"},"body":"
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
LPG needs an appropriately large SURFACE AREA to vaporize liquid into gas. I installed a large hydronic heating system in a repair garage in the Sierra Nevada Mountains many years ago. A one million BTU boiler. At -25C it took four 500 gallon tanks set to offer enough surface area to gasify fuel for the boiler.

A vertical tank offers a poor relationship of surface area to gas storage. But nothing can be done about it except heat the tank. I've seen folks use an infrared LPG heater placed a meter distant from a big tank in an emergency.


yes. In fact most propane suppliers have graphs that will show the max BTU/hr that can be drawn from a tank at a given min ambient temperature when the tanks is at a low level, say 10% off initial capacity.

They use those graphs to determine the minimum size tank to supply an application taking into account the maximum draw. And why the bigger tanks are horizontal cylinders. But even with a horizontal cylinder, as you get near empty, the surface area is going down as well as you get near the bottom of the tank.

IIRC while a 7.5 gallon vertical tank is common for RV applications, it is actually undersized for a typical furnace draw below about 40F. And it gets worse when the furnace and HWH turn on.

I know my 7.5 gallon tank will switch over with about 1.5 gallons left if the HWH and furance come on in the morning with temps in the low 40's. I just wait till late in the morning and switch back to get the last gallon or so out of the tank.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-12-09T10:13:16.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-12-09T10:13:16.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1675},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:843251/message:843285","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:307746":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:307746","uid":307746,"login":"down_home","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-06-01T14:22:28.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:307746"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:843284":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:843284","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:843284":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:307746"},"id":"message:843284","revisionNum":1,"uid":843284,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:843251"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:843251"},"subject":"Re: What temperature does propane stop flowing?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:843284"},"body":"probably not the case here but another thing to be watched.
Some suppliers not only put propane int their tanks but butane and other heavy and light ends. Works ok in warm weather but you are shortchanged since they don''t have the same energy. When colder the \"propane\" may not flow too well or at all.
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http://www.documentation.emersonprocess.com/groups/public/documents/bulletins/d4500147t012.pdf

Much easier.
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I like to research and it's running in another tab now. the round figure is -40 your choice of C or F but it turns out -44F (About -42 C) is right.

here is the link

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As soon as it got to about -25C (-13F) it worked fine again.

But I will follow Don's suggestion and get a heating pad of some kind to keep in here for future cold weather.

I was a bit concerned when the furnace couldn't keep up and the temp was dropping inside here. I can stay warm no problem but it's my plumbing freezing that concerns me.

Moving on to Medicine Hat tomorrow or Monday for the next part of my 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