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SCVJeff
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Nov 26, 2016

Why a GFI HERE ?

Since there's allot of electricians here I figured I would pose this question:
Yes I know what a GFI is and am very familiar with their operation. I just bought a really small pressure washer to keep on the coach for washing beach salt off after windy days, and it has a GFI installed on the cord. The difference between this one and other cord-end GFI's is that this one comes out with two wires, not 3. Meaning I think that the common ground return stops here doesn't it? So if there is a case (pump) to earth path, how do it know, the GFI ties neutral and ground at the cord end, not at the main box where electrical and earth grounds are bonded.

So what good is this one wired as it is? Am I missing the obvious?

The reason I ask is that for whatever reason I am getting trips on the cord end GFI when on the genset (not at home) and I'm about ready to remove it.

19 Replies

  • tvman44 wrote:
    It is called CYA, the manufacturers lawyers want to eliminate any chance of a law suit.


    Did it ever enter anyone's mind that a safety device is installed because it is the safe thing to do, and not because some person or company is paranoid about a lawsuit?
  • Many portable generators do not have a neutral/ground bond, and that can trip up (no pun intended!) a GFI. Some folks use a secondary plug with a neutral/frame ground jumper plugged into a second outlet to create the bond and eliminate the problem, but I can't say if that's safe to do on all portable generators. Most permanently installed RV generators do have a neutral/ground bond and so don't have the GFI issue.
  • It is called CYA, the manufacturers lawyers want to eliminate any chance of a law suit.
  • BB_TX wrote:
    Since there is no 3rd wire, there is no ground in the circuit at all.
    X2 on that. That pressure washer is just a 2-wire device that doesn't use the safety ground. All of the hair dryer GFCIs I've seen are also ground-less. As for why it trips with the genset, that's hard to say. The prior comment about the GFCI maybe not liking the genset's waveform is as good a working theory as any. Like so many other things, the GFCIs have a lot of circuitry crammed into a chip, and it might for some reason be intolerant of a flawed sine wave.

    As for why it's there, it was a safety and/or political decision. AFAIK, all current production plug-in pressure washers have them.
  • Since there is no 3rd wire, there is no ground in the circuit at all. As noted above, GFCI is difference between hot and neutral current flow.
  • CA Traveler wrote:
    It simply detects the difference between neutral and hot to trip. It can't detect a neutral to ground fault. So designed to provide protection for a 2 wire setup.

    Probably your gen sine wave is marginal in some aspect from it's detection causing it to trip.


    Bingo, A GFCI detects the imbalance between the Neutral and Hot and that indicates a SHORT to ground, so it trips the circuit. Doug
  • It simply detects the difference between neutral and hot to trip. It can't detect a neutral to ground fault. So designed to provide protection for a 2 wire setup.

    Probably your gen sine wave is marginal in some aspect from it's detection causing it to trip.
  • Because the washer is connected to the water line, which is grounded. Therefore a potential shock.
  • Its there probably because some politician got a lot of money to pass a law that requires it. Or because somebody did something stupid and got a shock.

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