I currently have the sensar 111 antenna and am considering getting the wingman accessory for it. Can any of you give me any feedback on good/bad, great idea, or don't waste your money?thanks

The Wingman improved our UHF reception more than enough to make up for the small cost and 5 minute installation. The antenna does require tighter aiming though, which is always a tradeoff for the stronger signal a highly directional antenna pulls in. I use TVFool.com to locate the optimum aiming directions.

Dutch_12078 wrote:The Wingman improved our UHF reception more than enough to make up for the small cost and 5 minute installation. The antenna does require tighter aiming though, which is always a tradeoff for the stronger signal a highly directional antenna pulls in. I use TVFool.com to locate the optimum aiming directions.Dutch, thanks for the TVfool site, that's me :)

taddyport wrote:Dutch, thanks for the TVfool site, that's me :)You're quite welcome! :B

Your timing is great. We are in Palmer, Alaska and the park has no cable. Well of course we lost use of our Direct deal somewhere down in Canada. All the channels here are OTA from Anchorage and digital. Well since we very rarely use the antenna, when we did raise the aerial and our screen was blank. Thought a moment, ah, digital bit us. So we were in Anchorage and I bought the Wineguard Wingman upgrade. Put it on last evening, about five minutes, daylight to midnight, so no rush. Well it brought in some stations but also didn't bring in some that were listed on the CG listing. So today I go across the road and get a Jack (brand name). Sort of a delta winged shaped head, small. About another five minutes removing the Wingman that I put on yesterday and mounting the Jack which is a direct replacement for the Wineguard head which was about another five minutes. We went from 10 stations to 18. The trailer never moved so we are comparing apples to apples. Just my experience.

That only means the Winegard was not properly pointed. The Winegard with a Wingman will out perform a Jack head to head in all cases if properly pointed. Take a look at the head to head comparison of the 2 units which is documented on this forum.The good news and the bad news about the Winegard antenna is exactly the same. It is highly directional. Good....when properly pointed it will get the best signal at the best distance. Bad....if not properly pointed you may not get all of the available channels.To make it all very easy you should add the Winegard Sensar Pro and you get the best of everything.

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SCVJeff
Explorer
Jun 15, 2014
j-d wrote:
In these discussions, where the terms "VHF" and "UHF" come up, if the transmission has converted to DTV/HDTV, only the Channel Numbers are left. The Channels themselves are GONE, repurposed by FCC to other uses.Not true. The terminology is alive and well with the antenna manufacturers as well as the FCC. If you go look at the FCC's database you will find that every license has a designated static channel: VHF Hi & Lo, as well as UHF. THAT is whats important, not the table PSIP assignment Even the low numbers are actually on higher frequenciesNot always, and that's what the Wingman helps withon UHF only. Say you liked "Channels 4 and 40." The 4 that displays on screen might now be on a higher frequency than 40??. The tuner computer figures that out and shows you something you're familiar with. The bottom line? Something tuned for the new band, like Winegard WITH Wingman, a new Winegard model, or a Jack, will ALL help with EVERY broadcast TV channelThe Wingman helps ONLY on UHF and does an excellent job as long as you point the antenna correctly. On the flip side the Jack antenna is not as good as the Batwing with or without the Wingman attachment on UHF, and significantly poorer in performance on VHF against the Batwing. The "wing" look of the Batwing antenna IS it's VHF element and what makes it shine on VHF..
SCVJeff
Explorer
Jun 15, 2014
wa8yxm wrote:
Not sure what TVFool is..
TVFool.com
This was the standard reference during the digital conversion. Even though the FCC had their government page, they referred to this site most of the time since it shows the predicted receive strength at the location and height you specify for any channel in the area. It can get pretty geeky with all the fancy graphs and charts, but it's still the best one out there IMO.
Ron3rd
Explorer III
Jun 15, 2014
CA Traveler wrote:
OP The Wingman increases the antenna footprint when down. Make sure it won't hit anything.

X2, I looked at installing the Wingman on my old trailer but it would have hit the A/C unit when folded down. On my new trailer it will be no problem and I'll add one soon. Gonna get the Sensar Pro too.
Bill_Satellite
Explorer II
Jun 15, 2014
CA Traveler wrote:
Everyone: Winegard has a new flatwave outdoor antenna that they claim is better. My take is that it could be adapted to the standard crankup batwing mount.

There was a post that they are working on a crankup version.

The Flatwave and Razar antennas (same antenna different marketing) were never expected to be better than a Sensar antenna. They have different purposes and uses but are not a replacement for the Sensar.
This is also not the antenna that can be adapted to the Batwing mount. That antenna has just been released and is called a Razar Air.
SCVJeff
Explorer
Jun 15, 2014
Bill: Does this panel have an amp in the head?
CA_Traveler
Explorer III
Jun 15, 2014
Here's a link to the Razar Air including the amplified version.
SCVJeff
Explorer
Jun 15, 2014
CA Traveler wrote:
Here's a link to the Razar Air including the amplified version.
wow.. That sucker is expensive..
myredracer
Explorer II
Jun 16, 2014
SCVJeff wrote:
wa8yxm wrote:
Not sure what TVFool is..
TVFool.com
This was the standard reference during the digital conversion. Even though the FCC had their government page, they referred to this site most of the time since it shows the predicted receive strength at the location and height you specify for any channel in the area. It can get pretty geeky with all the fancy graphs and charts, but it's still the best one out there IMO.

Is there a source for programming? I miss the old cable channel that had a schedule. It just seems more complicated with digital. But once you watch air digital, there's no way I can watch cable or air analogue.

We struggle to get 6-8 digital channels at our regular CG and half are shopping channels (2 of them!) and foreign language. On top of that, we get channels that drift in and out and even with the Wingman and Sensarpro adjusted to max. gain. We did double the number of channels with the Wingman though. We often get only 2 or 3 watchable channels.

What is the difference between a channel 24.1 and 24.2 for example? TVfool.com only shows the xxx.1 channels?
Bill_Satellite
Explorer II
Jun 16, 2014
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SCVJeff
Explorer
Jun 16, 2014
myredracer wrote:
SCVJeff wrote:
wa8yxm wrote:
Not sure what TVFool is..
TVFool.com
This was the standard reference during the digital conversion. Even though the FCC had their government page, they referred to this site most of the time since it shows the predicted receive strength at the location and height you specify for any channel in the area. It can get pretty geeky with all the fancy graphs and charts, but it's still the best one out there IMO.

Is there a source for programming? I miss the old cable channel that had a schedule. It just seems more complicated with digital. But once you watch air digital, there's no way I can watch cable or air analogue.

We struggle to get 6-8 digital channels at our regular CG and half are shopping channels (2 of them!) and foreign language. On top of that, we get channels that drift in and out and even with the Wingman and Sensarpro adjusted to max. gain. We did double the number of channels with the Wingman though. We often get only 2 or 3 watchable channels.

What is the difference between a channel 24.1 and 24.2 for example? TVfool.com only shows the xxx.1 channels?
That's what the PSIP program guide does. Any of the new TV's that respond to the PSIP guide have all of the programming right there. iF you want to look at it elsewhere, check out TITAN TV.com. These guys are one of the universal programming aggregators that the stations use to supply their programming guides. For Titan online, you tell it where you are for OTA, or which cable, or satellite, and it does the rest. If u open a free account, it will remember your preferences, so if you have DirecTv, it will keep that guide, but also as you travel, you can save the various cities or areas you hang in, and the program guide is displayed through a simple pull down menu.. It's also cross platform to iPad, PC, etc. browsers so you can use it anywhere. I'm a little surprised that more full timers haven't picked up on what it does.

TVFool is not a program aggregator, so it doesn't care what's on the "dots". It's only concerned about the primary transmit channel.

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