Wix or Fram filter?

That's it folks,keep sniping at each other, that is REAL helpful to the discussion.

(Sarcasm key off now)

CKNSLS wrote:
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Please tell your friend I said hello and the world is indeed round.

Well it must be because YOU read it on the Internet.

My reason for using Fram filters is that with their vinyl black coating I can remove and replace with my hands only.

SCVJeff wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

SCVJeff wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

SCVJeff wrote:
I once had a neighbor that was in the high end auto parts biz: classics, etc. He always warned me about Fram and I always blew him off until he came home one day with a Fram cut in half with a large copper pipe cutter. The interior was littered with filter dust, and a few bigger chunks of filter media, easily enough to clog a seep hole. That was all the convincing I needed and have never run them since. They cut many different ones apart, but what I remember was:
Bottom of the line: Fram Orange
Top of the line: Mobil-1

Here is another Internet rumor that refuses to die. About five years ago Fram had a small batch of bad filters. Five years ago. If you go over to bobistheoilguy.com you will find out that Fram's Tough Guard and Extra Guard are well built filters. In addition to this-it has also been found there has been a rash of Wix filters with media tear.

Go over and browse that website.

I'm just checking here... Are you calling me a liar to what I saw in front of me? I could care less what you read or what Goggle says or finds when I look at the tests in front of me. I also never said WHEN all this took place, so you have no clue if it jibes with your 5 year claim. And it doesn't..

It's not inconceivable that any manufacturer could produce one bad filter when they produce thousands of them. In any manufacturing business there is an error rate, no matter what the item is being produced. To base your buying decision on one bad filter is not rational. Especially when there is evidence to the contrary that is recent.

The OCD (Orange can of death) rumor refuses to die.

If you read my post you will see that he warned me about that for several years, then opened one to prove it. That's not "one". I saw it, plain and simple. If they have changed manufacturing since then, great, they should have.

Yea-every Fram filter is junk, all thousands they produce-all the Tough Guard and Extra Guard filters that are highly regarded on a webpage that is everything oil and filters. Please tell your friend I said hello and the world is indeed round.

CKNSLS wrote:

SCVJeff wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

SCVJeff wrote:
I once had a neighbor that was in the high end auto parts biz: classics, etc. He always warned me about Fram and I always blew him off until he came home one day with a Fram cut in half with a large copper pipe cutter. The interior was littered with filter dust, and a few bigger chunks of filter media, easily enough to clog a seep hole. That was all the convincing I needed and have never run them since. They cut many different ones apart, but what I remember was:
Bottom of the line: Fram Orange
Top of the line: Mobil-1

Here is another Internet rumor that refuses to die. About five years ago Fram had a small batch of bad filters. Five years ago. If you go over to bobistheoilguy.com you will find out that Fram's Tough Guard and Extra Guard are well built filters. In addition to this-it has also been found there has been a rash of Wix filters with media tear.

Go over and browse that website.

I'm just checking here... Are you calling me a liar to what I saw in front of me? I could care less what you read or what Goggle says or finds when I look at the tests in front of me. I also never said WHEN all this took place, so you have no clue if it jibes with your 5 year claim. And it doesn't..

It's not inconceivable that any manufacturer could produce one bad filter when they produce thousands of them. In any manufacturing business there is an error rate, no matter what the item is being produced. To base your buying decision on one bad filter is not rational. Especially when there is evidence to the contrary that is recent.

The OCD (Orange can of death) rumor refuses to die.

If you read my post you will see that he warned me about that for several years, then opened one to prove it. That's not "one". I saw it, plain and simple. If they have changed manufacturing since then, great, they should have.

Chris Bryant wrote:
Not sure if this is still true, but it used to be the NAPA number was just the WIX number with an added digit.

That is still true.

SCVJeff wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

SCVJeff wrote:
I once had a neighbor that was in the high end auto parts biz: classics, etc. He always warned me about Fram and I always blew him off until he came home one day with a Fram cut in half with a large copper pipe cutter. The interior was littered with filter dust, and a few bigger chunks of filter media, easily enough to clog a seep hole. That was all the convincing I needed and have never run them since. They cut many different ones apart, but what I remember was:
Bottom of the line: Fram Orange
Top of the line: Mobil-1

Here is another Internet rumor that refuses to die. About five years ago Fram had a small batch of bad filters. Five years ago. If you go over to bobistheoilguy.com you will find out that Fram's Tough Guard and Extra Guard are well built filters. In addition to this-it has also been found there has been a rash of Wix filters with media tear.

Go over and browse that website.

I'm just checking here... Are you calling me a liar to what I saw in front of me? I could care less what you read or what Goggle says or finds when I look at the tests in front of me. I also never said WHEN all this took place, so you have no clue if it jibes with your 5 year claim. And it doesn't..

It's not inconceivable that any manufacturer could produce one bad filter when they produce thousands of them. In any manufacturing business there is an error rate, no matter what the item is being produced. To base your buying decision on one bad filter is not rational. Especially when there is evidence to the contrary that is recent.

The OCD (Orange can of death) rumor refuses to die.

Chris Bryant wrote:
Not sure if this is still true, but it used to be the NAPA number was just the WIX number with an added digit.

The last time I looked it was the last 4 digits of the Wix part number that Napa used.

Lots of info at bobistheoilguy.com. The Tough Guard does a good job in my Jeep.

Chris Bryant wrote:
Not sure if this is still true, but it used to be the NAPA number was just the WIX number with an added digit.

When I worked for the County fleet services (15 years ) the Wix salesman told us that Wix made filters for several company's NAPA, CARQUEST etc.
We had over 450 vehicles from lawnmowers to Cat loaders and never had a bad filter and never lost a engine.
Witch filter is better is like witch vehicle is better Ford, Chevy or Dodge.