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May 11, 2005

Hensley Arrow: How does it REALLY work?

There have been several discussions on this hitch that have become somewhat 'controversial'. I am NOT trying to stir this controversy/bashing back up. Instead, I'd like to see a good, intelligent discussion on the specific geometry/physics behind it, and how/where it projects the pivot point when towing a travel trailer. Perhaps even some discussion, of why the pivot point being projected to where it is, seems to eliminate sway completely (or at least give the perception of such).

For starters: HERE is a basic illustration, showing the trapezoid/4 bar linkage, that the Hensley uses to eliminate sway. Some of the details of this description have been accused of being inaccurate, but this still provides a good starting point. I have actually measured our Hensley head, and found that the two side bars are about 4.5" long, the rear (longer) bar on the trailer side is about 8", and the front bar is about 7.25" long.

Many different theories have been suggested, on specifically WHERE this trapezoid will project the pivot point. Hensley's advertising suggest the Hensley projects the pivot point forward, close to the rear axle. The question they don't answer is, specifically HOW FAR forward? This is what I'd like to discuss.

Some have said its projected to a point infinitely forward of the rear axle (when trailer is in a straight line). Another analysis (provided by Ron Gratz) implies its projected about 47" forward from the trailer ball hitch. Yet another recent model I heard of from 'UniCacher' on here, suggests the pivot point is actually BEHIND the trailer ball hitch. Not sure I understand that, but would like to hear the reasoning behind that.

Soooo, those that own a Hensley, or have some understanding of how it works: Just where DOES a Hensley project the trailer's pivoting point? And, if this point is actually behind the rear axle, why does it give the perception of zero sway? Is there some other piece to the geometric 'puzzle' here, that we are missing, and is not explained with the '4 bar' problem/illustration?
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I am NOT trying to stir this controversy/bashing back up. Instead, I'd like to see a good, intelligent discussion on the specific geometry/physics behind it, and how/where it projects the pivot point when towing a travel trailer. Perhaps even some discussion, of why the pivot point being projected to where it is, seems to eliminate sway completely (or at least give the perception of such).

For starters: HERE is a basic illustration, showing the trapezoid/4 bar linkage, that the Hensley uses to eliminate sway. Some of the details of this description have been accused of being inaccurate, but this still provides a good starting point. I have actually measured our Hensley head, and found that the two side bars are about 4.5\" long, the rear (longer) bar on the trailer side is about 8\", and the front bar is about 7.25\" long.

Many different theories have been suggested, on specifically WHERE this trapezoid will project the pivot point. Hensley's advertising suggest the Hensley projects the pivot point forward, close to the rear axle. The question they don't answer is, specifically HOW FAR forward? This is what I'd like to discuss.

Some have said its projected to a point infinitely forward of the rear axle (when trailer is in a straight line). Another analysis (provided by Ron Gratz) implies its projected about 47\" forward from the trailer ball hitch. Yet another recent model I heard of from 'UniCacher' on here, suggests the pivot point is actually BEHIND the trailer ball hitch. Not sure I understand that, but would like to hear the reasoning behind that.

Soooo, those that own a Hensley, or have some understanding of how it works: Just where DOES a Hensley project the trailer's pivoting point? And, if this point is actually behind the rear axle, why does it give the perception of zero sway? Is there some other piece to the geometric 'puzzle' here, that we are missing, and is not explained with the '4 bar' problem/illustration?","body@stringLength":"2201","rawBody":"There have been several discussions on this hitch that have become somewhat 'controversial'. I am NOT trying to stir this controversy/bashing back up. Instead, I'd like to see a good, intelligent discussion on the specific geometry/physics behind it, and how/where it projects the pivot point when towing a travel trailer. Perhaps even some discussion, of why the pivot point being projected to where it is, seems to eliminate sway completely (or at least give the perception of such).

For starters: HERE is a basic illustration, showing the trapezoid/4 bar linkage, that the Hensley uses to eliminate sway. Some of the details of this description have been accused of being inaccurate, but this still provides a good starting point. I have actually measured our Hensley head, and found that the two side bars are about 4.5\" long, the rear (longer) bar on the trailer side is about 8\", and the front bar is about 7.25\" long.

Many different theories have been suggested, on specifically WHERE this trapezoid will project the pivot point. Hensley's advertising suggest the Hensley projects the pivot point forward, close to the rear axle. The question they don't answer is, specifically HOW FAR forward? This is what I'd like to discuss.

Some have said its projected to a point infinitely forward of the rear axle (when trailer is in a straight line). Another analysis (provided by Ron Gratz) implies its projected about 47\" forward from the trailer ball hitch. Yet another recent model I heard of from 'UniCacher' on here, suggests the pivot point is actually BEHIND the trailer ball hitch. Not sure I understand that, but would like to hear the reasoning behind that.

Soooo, those that own a Hensley, or have some understanding of how it works: Just where DOES a Hensley project the trailer's pivoting point? And, if this point is actually behind the rear axle, why does it give the perception of zero sway? 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Stressor wrote wrote:

Milt,

What's your point? No one has said anything in this discussion about how the struts are or are not connected to the hitch. As you are well aware, I have repeatedly stated in other discussions that the TT is rigidly connected to the HA's upper (rear) unit via the ball coupler and the two struts.



There is only one angle to concern yourself with on a real hitch, there ain't no magic angle except on a Ron Gratz imaginary hitch.

And, (forgive me if this is an unnecessary question) what is that \"one angle\"?



But in answer to your unnecessary question, changing the angle only changes the force vector, it does not unlock the hitch.

And, your proof of this statement regarding other angles is what????????



How about the answers to my other questions:

For the test condition depicted in your photo, what was the horizontal angle between the cable and the TV's longitudinal axis?

Rocker/Rocker 4 bar linkage theory predicts the lock.
Can you provide a link to a reference which supports this statement?

Did you change the angle of the pull?
Did you pull, say, 10 degrees to the left and 10 degrees to the right of the angle shown?
Do you have photos to show the cable pulling at other angles?

Ron
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Ron Gratz wrote:
willald wrote:
Hmmm...Looking at Milt's picture, I'm trying to visualize another model we could build, that will prove the point about locking (when Hensley is under tension), and prove it beyond reproach by even someone like Ron. :)

Will,

No need to build a model. Just use your own HA mounted on your truck. You would have to unhook the trailer from the rear of the HA though. I know that requires some effort; but, hey, it's for the sake of science. Then you just have to duplicate Milt's experiment.

But, to be fair, you would have to document results at more than one angle. Proper experimental technique does not allow one to suppress results which disprove his theory while he shows only that one special case which appears to support it. However, if you do want to do the test using the special case, I can tell you how to do it.

If you could attach the cable directly to the right rear pin, you would need to pull at the magic angle of 4.3 degrees relative to the longitudinal centerline of the truck. However, if you choose to attach to the strut pin as Milt did, then you would have to increase the magic angle to about 6 degrees (assuming 2\" of eccentricity) to account for the eccentric loading. Better yet, you should attach the cable to the ball; but this means the magic angle would be zero degrees and, of course, it's pretty obvious that if you pull at zero degrees, nothing will happen. If you hook to the strut pin and pull at Milt's fortuitous angle, the back of the hitch will not move off center. But, if you pull to the left of that, the hitch will move left. And, if you pull to the right of the magic angle, the hitch will move right.

So, I would suggest you try to duplicate Milt's experiment; except you should present results of pulling at angles other than the magic 6 degrees. And, it really doesn't make any difference how hard you pull; but, if you have something which can exert a lot of force, have at it.

I guess Milt is not going to answer my questions about angles. Maybe, he's out taking more photos.

Ron


The struts are connected to the hitch in a fixed relationship Ron, with big steel bars.

There is only one angle to concern yourself with on a real hitch, there ain't no magic angle except on a Ron Gratz imaginary hitch.

But in answer to your unnecessary question, changing the angle only changes the force vector, it does not unlock the hitch.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2005-08-25T07:33:03.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2005-08-25T07:33:03.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":133},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TowVehicles/message:23057/message:23382","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:23381":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:23381","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:23381":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:50489"},"id":"message:23381","revisionNum":1,"uid":23381,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TowVehicles"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:23057"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:23057"},"subject":"Re: Hensley Arrow: How does it REALLY work?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:23381"},"body":"
willald wrote:
Hmmm...wonder if I can convince the wife to drive, and let me sit in the very back of the Excursion? Then, as we're going down the road, I can open the back hatch, hold the video camera down toward the Hensley, and get a video of how it is pivoting? Maybe I can even do such when a semi blows by us, to illustrate that the trailer does NOT induce any pivoting when this happens. :B

Think that would help any? Naaaah - we already have such a video, that was linked to earlier in this thread.

Will,

Let me see if I've got this straight. You're going to use this video to demonstrate that the HA locks out all movement of the TT relative to the TV?????????????


Actually, I'm not sure we can prove this point completely, with any arrangement with the Hensley and cables pulling on the back of it, either.

You are 100% correct. You cannot prove your (Milt's) point with this or any other arrangement. However, with Milt's arrangement, one can prove that if you pull at any angle, other than the special case magic angle, the upper (rear) unit of the HA will move.

Have a safe and Happy Camping weekend.

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Ron Gratz wrote:
No need to build a model. Just use your own HA mounted on your truck. You would have to unhook the trailer from the rear of the HA though. I know that requires some effort; but, hey, it's for the sake of science. Then you just have to duplicate Milt's experiment.......


Wellll, right now the Excursion and Citation/Hensley are all hitched up ready to roll, so can't really do that for a while. We are heading out this afternoon for a weekend get-away trip, to a state park just down the road. Some good camping friends of ours ('JALCamper' on the forums here) are joining us there with their camper. We'll get to see yet more PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE, of why the Hensley works so well. :)

Hmmm...wonder if I can convince the wife to drive, and let me sit in the very back of the Excursion? Then, as we're going down the road, I can open the back hatch, hold the video camera down toward the Hensley, and get a video of how it is pivoting? Maybe I can even do such when a semi blows by us, to illustrate that the trailer does NOT induce any pivoting when this happens. :B

Think that would help any? Naaaah - we already have such a video, that was linked to earlier in this thread.

Actually, I'm not sure we can prove this point completely, with any arrangement with the Hensley and cables pulling on the back of it, either. Too easy for such a proof to be refuted, saying that the cable would not be pulling in the same direction/way that a trailer would. Naah, we're gonna have to do something like I suggested, with hanging a weight from a model A frame, attached to a Hensley. Problem is, thats way too much effort (and $$), for anyone to do it. I do know if I tried to do such, DW would go ballistic, and would think I was a nut case, and need to get a life (and maybe she would be right..LOL!!)

Perhaps to prove the point we're trying to make, we could convince our friends at Hensley to do such an experiment? If they did and it proved the point we believe it will, such could go a long way in proving how truly amazing their product really is.

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willald wrote:
Hmmm...Looking at Milt's picture, I'm trying to visualize another model we could build, that will prove the point about locking (when Hensley is under tension), and prove it beyond reproach by even someone like Ron. :)

Will,

No need to build a model. Just use your own HA mounted on your truck. You would have to unhook the trailer from the rear of the HA though. I know that requires some effort; but, hey, it's for the sake of science. Then you just have to duplicate Milt's experiment.

But, to be fair, you would have to document results at more than one angle. Proper experimental technique does not allow one to suppress results which disprove his theory while he shows only that one special case which appears to support it. However, if you do want to do the test using the special case, I can tell you how to do it.

If you could attach the cable directly to the right rear pin, you would need to pull at the magic angle of 4.3 degrees relative to the longitudinal centerline of the truck. However, if you choose to attach to the strut pin as Milt did, then you would have to increase the magic angle to about 6 degrees (assuming 2\" of eccentricity) to account for the eccentric loading. Better yet, you should attach the cable to the ball; but this means the magic angle would be zero degrees and, of course, it's pretty obvious that if you pull at zero degrees, nothing will happen. If you hook to the strut pin and pull at Milt's fortuitous angle, the back of the hitch will not move off center. But, if you pull to the left of that, the hitch will move left. And, if you pull to the right of the magic angle, the hitch will move right.

So, I would suggest you try to duplicate Milt's experiment; except you should present results of pulling at angles other than the magic 6 degrees. And, it really doesn't make any difference how hard you pull; but, if you have something which can exert a lot of force, have at it.

I guess Milt is not going to answer my questions about angles. Maybe, he's out taking more photos.

Ron","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2005-08-24T18:46:38.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2005-08-24T18:46:38.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":133},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TowVehicles/message:23057/message:23379","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:23378":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:23378","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:23378":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:82267"},"id":"message:23378","revisionNum":1,"uid":23378,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TowVehicles"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:23057"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:23057"},"subject":"Re: Hensley Arrow: How does it REALLY work?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:23378"},"body":"Nah Will, you will not be able to move it at all.

It is locked up, see the picture. Believe what you see.

That is a real Hensley Arrow hitch in the picture, not a Ron Gratz imaginary hitch. The real ones lock up, and they operate according to mechanical linkage rules.

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BurbMan wrote:
I'll go out on a limb and say that both Will and I agree with everything you have said to this point. However, what we are saying is that in addition to all that, the tension that exists between TV and TT as the TT is being towed adds additional resistance to ANY movement of the 4-bar linkage, particularly inputs from the TT.

Don,

As I stated before, if your phrase \"adds additional resistance to\" means \"locks out\", then I do not agree with the statement. I do agree that added tension requires that added force be applied to swing the TT. I already have stated that a tension of 1000# would require a force of about 17.5# to swing the TT to an angle of 1 degree.

Can you formulate a proof that shows that these forces do not affect the behavior of the HA?

Let's give it a try. It's either do this or go back outside and paint.

When the HA is in the \"straight ahead\" position, the left side link is angled to the left at the rear and the right side link is angled to the right. The angles are equal and are about 4 degrees. If the TT is producing a tension in the tongue, then both links will be in tension equal to about one half of the tongue tension.

If the tongue tension is 1000#, the left link pin will have a rearward load of 500# and the right link pin will have a rearward load of 500#. The tension in each link will be 500/cosine(4 degrees) = 504.9#. The left link pin will have a right-directed load of 504.9*sin(4 degrees) = 70.3#. The right link pin will have a left-directed load of 70.3#. The net lateral force produced by the tongue tension if zero.

Now, let's swing the TT so the rear link moves right. Lets assume the left link now has an angle of 3 degrees and the right link has an angle of about 5 degrees. The left link pin would have a right-directed load of about 503*sin(3 degrees) = 52.5#. The right link pin would have a left-directed load of about 508*sin(5 degrees) = 88.2#. The net lateral force would be a left-directed 15.7#. Therefore, to get the TT to swing the prescribed amount, we would have to exert a force of 15.7#. The harder we push, the more it swings.

Yes, there is resistance. I made this point in a reply to one of MacMan's posts very early in this thread. We can quantify the amount of resistance. Now, you might ask, \"If the resistance is so small, why don't TTs swing more than they do?\". The answer, as I have tried to explain many times, is that the TT's tires provide nearly all of the resistance -- not the hitch.

I don't know how to explain it any simpler than that.

Ron

On Edit: I referred to a post by Don early on. It was a post by MacMan instead. Sorry.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2005-08-24T14:38:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2005-08-24T14:38:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":133},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TowVehicles/message:23057/message:23377","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:23376":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:23376","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:23376":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:50489"},"id":"message:23376","revisionNum":1,"uid":23376,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TowVehicles"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:23057"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:23057"},"subject":"Re: Hensley Arrow: How does it REALLY work?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:23376"},"body":"
Stressor wrote:
This photograph proves that the locking effect does exist.

Milt,

For the test condition depicted in your photo, what was the horizontal angle between the cable and the TV's longitudinal axis?



Rocker/Rocker 4 bar linkage theory predicts the lock.

Can you provide a link to a reference which supports this statement?



Despite your long winded, and spurious remarks previously, changing the angle of the pull does not change the fact that it is locked.

Did you change the angle of the pull?
Did you pull, say, 10 degrees to the left and 10 degrees to the right of the angle shown?
Do you have photos to show the cable pulling at other angles?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2005-08-24T13:27:24.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2005-08-24T13:27:24.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":133},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TowVehicles/message:23057/message:23376","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:23375":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:23375","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:23375":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2974"},"id":"message:23375","revisionNum":1,"uid":23375,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TowVehicles"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:23057"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:23057"},"subject":"Re: Hensley Arrow: How does it REALLY work?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:23375"},"body":"Hmmm...Looking at Milt's picture, I'm trying to visualize another model we could build, that will prove the point about locking (when Hensley is under tension), and prove it beyond reproach by even someone like Ron. :)

What if we were to somehow mount the drawbar on something solid, like maybe a workbench? Basically, mount the drawbar pointing down, and mount it on something REALLY solid. Mount it, such that it could handle a lot of weight.

Then, attach the Hensley hitch to the drawbar (all pointing down). We'd then have to build a 'model' A frame of a trailer, perhaps with 3 pieces of 2x4 wood, and mount this to the Hensley, the same way it normally mounts to the trailer A frame (using the struts). Now, we just have to mount something really heavy to the bottom of the wood A frame we built, so that it pulls down real hard on the Hensley. For this example, lets say we mounted, an anvil (lol).

NOW, after we have this, try pushing the wooden A frame side to side. You will find, that in order to make it pivot, you'd have to overcome a LOT of resistance, because you'd literally be lifting the weight of the anvil in order to make it pivot, since the Hensley's pivot path forces the Hensley to move forward (up in this case) as it swings away from a straight line. The path through which it would pivot (making you lift the anvil) would NOT be the same as a simple pendulum with respect to the Hensley's Virtual pivot point, as Ron would suggest. It would be more like a pendulum where the arm shortens as it swings to either side.

Make sense? Who wants to volunteer to build this? :)

Will","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2005-08-24T11:58:31.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2005-08-24T11:58:31.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":133},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TowVehicles/message:23057/message:23375","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:23374":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:23374","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:23374":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:82267"},"id":"message:23374","revisionNum":1,"uid":23374,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TowVehicles"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:23057"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:23057"},"subject":"Re: Hensley Arrow: How does it REALLY work?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:23374"},"body":"Ron Gratz wrote:

No, I did not include that effect because it does not exist. The HA doesn't need it.



This photograph proves that the locking effect does exist. Rocker/Rocker 4 bar linkage theory predicts the lock.

Despite your long winded, and spurious remarks previously, changing the angle of the pull does not change the fact that it is locked.

The hitch locks to input from the travel trailer side, and anybody who has one can easily prove it to himself, by simple duplication of the set up pictured.

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