Electric Tow Vehicles - Getting close
Used to be a guy on the forum towing a tear drop with a tesla but really not suitable for the vast majority of RVers. We had a young family camp next to us this weekend and something didn't look rig...
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Probably none of the above. Mainly the literal amount of energy needed to move the load at hand. Yes one does need to look at the overall cost IMHO of both the actual machine, and the how to get the "fuel" to the table to use. Hence why I'm not really a fan of alcohol in gas. Takes me in my last truck, from 10 literal gals of fuel to 11 gals of fuel plus a gallon or so of alcohol to go the same distance. I admit, to being on the green side of things, but this equation makes no sense to me in more than one way.
The distance traveled I've mentioned is equal before stopping IMHO currently. Like all things great and small, how big is the fuel tank? Stopping for fuel as noted can be a good thing, kids/parents get a restroom break while feeding the tow rig! With four kids, one has to stop every hour or two max depending upon multiple issues.
Yes one can fill at half full in less time than 30 of 35 gals. Then again, my current rig with a 26- or 27-gal tank, takes less time than the last four with 35 gal tanks......gee, I wonder why? Yes we have done the pop in, get filled with fuel, no one leaves their seats too!
With 6 of us, I had a tendency to prefer rest stops or fueling vs using the RV to relieve ourselves. With a 25 gal iirc black tank, we can fill it quite quickly, vs a couple using it.
Everything is variable depending upon multiple factors. While I do not like the current cost of diesel, if driving enough miles per year, it can pay for itself, at 15K it does not pay to drive a diesel. Get it over 30K, then the ROI is worth it. I'm not a drive it 2-3 year type of person, more of a 200-250K miles in 10 years, work it hard, it's not worth what some baby their truck at after 10 years and maybe 50-100K miles!
At the end of the day, choose your poison! Everything has a plus or minus to it. Even my green family realizes a hybrid, battery operated vehicle at this point in time, does meet the needs of my use, and many others! My stepdad by the by, was one of the engineers that designed a car that drove on the moon back in the day! HE was a BIG proponent of different fuel types!
Marty
Don't get me started on Plug-In-Hybrids. They are doable today and there is no reason they can't be financially viable today. Again, I think they tried to do too much going pure battery EV and missed the better option.
A PIH with a 50mile battery range (not towing) - Maybe 20-30kwh battery bank for $2-3k and another $2-3k for the electric motor sandwiched between the ICE and transmission and a small efficient 170hp (continuous rated output) ICE would be a game changer.
- Most days commuting or running around town, it functions as a pure battery electric vehicle. (if you do exceed the battery range, the ICE kicks in, no big deal). This would represent probably 90-95% of miles for most owners.
- Have a "road trip" setting (not towing) where you input your estimated trip distance before you next expect to plug in and it optimizes your battery use to first keep the ICE at it's ideal efficiency and when possible, uses battery only.
- Have a "tow/haul" setting where it goes to the ICE even with a full charge on the battery pack. I lost the source but your average midsize trailer, the engine is putting out around 140hp at freeway speeds on level ground. If you hit a steep grade, the battery can boost the output if you exceed the ICE capability and then engine brake thru the electric motor to recharge the battery bank on the downhill.
- They could have an advance setting for the "road trip' & "tow/haul" modes where it integrates with GPS to predict the grades and using that info, it can maximize the battery usage. ie: if you are starting with a 5mile flat ground before doing a 10 mile downhill grade, maybe it runs battery only for the first 5 miles before recharging on the downhill. Or you are 10 miles out and it has enough battery to make 12miles under battery, so it kills the ICE and finishes on battery.
- This also substantially addresses some of the other issues raised on this thread. A 30amp shore power pedestal can handle 2kw to charge the battery overnight, so no need for 50amp or if the campground has limited power, it could be set to self recharge using the onboard ICE. If boondocking, you could set a reserve battery level, so you arrive with say 10kwh and can plug the trailer into the truck and run the aircon overnight off the truck battery. 20kwh battery bank is maybe 500lb so it's not crazy amounts of weight added and substantially reduces the concerns about mining lithium.
Hybrid =/= Plug In Hybrid (PIH)
There is a fundamental difference. If he's got an PIH and only getting 1/2 MPG better commuting, he either has a several hundred mile commute or he is using it wrong.
Also, hybrids don't cost $10k more. In fact, they are now often the same or cheaper.
if your driving is mostly highway a hybrid isn't any better than a fuel efficient gas motor, a buddy I work with has a plug in hybrid and in town it is phenomenal , but commuting to work and back he just gets slightly better milage than I do, were talking about 1/2 a MPG better than I get, but he paid 10K more for the "Hybrid" version of our car, so now we are back to the "is it worth 10K to get 1/2MPG better? "
