Towing capacity

BenK wrote:
Have given up using marketing nomenclature (150, 250, 1500, half ton, etc) and if do, ask what their GVWR & RGAWR

Most important is the RGAWR. That tells much

Why provided a HOW2 figure it themselves with simple math and a trip to the scales.

Even then, they will only have brochure numbers for the trailer they want.

This is what drives more sales for the OEM…another newbie bought too small or too large and another purchase of either smaller trailer or bigger TV…or just drive it and deal with whatever crops up.

Think like most newbies, this OP is looking for an OK from the collective and will get many as advisors have no skin in the OP’s situation…

valhalla360 wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
Where does OP say what truck they have. They haven't.
No telling if as one noted, it may be limited by factory hitch...as my 05 dw Duramax was limited to 4500 or 5000 lbs, as it did not come with a hitch of any sort.
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He doesn't but the tow rating gives us an idea. Most 3/4ton and larger trucks push north of 14k tow ratings, so 12.5k suggests a high tow rating 1/2ton.

Yes, it would be far better if the OP provided the full specs on the truck including axle ratings along with the specific trailer model including all weight ratings.

Cmon Ben…first off, how can someone take a trailer to the scales that they don’t even own? (I suppose technically it’s possible with some conditional sale term but it’s not probable and won’t mean a **** thing. Because all he will get is brochure numbers unless the conditional sale also includes loading up for camping.
And what on earth do you mean “given up on marketing nomenclature?” Literally nothing has changed in “marketing nomenclature” since at least the 60s. I’m not as familiar with vehicles older than that. Maybe you think the marketing nomenclature has been a ruse for the last 50 years?
PS I know you’re smarter than this. And being a gear head you probably have many axle ratings memorized and certainly can tell the differences between a “150 and a 250”. Maybe even blindfolded. So I’m not sure where some of these statements come from.

valhalla360 wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
Where does OP say what truck they have. They haven't.
No telling if as one noted, it may be limited by factory hitch...as my 05 dw Duramax was limited to 4500 or 5000 lbs, as it did not come with a hitch of any sort.
y

He doesn't but the tow rating gives us an idea. Most 3/4ton and larger trucks push north of 14k tow ratings, so 12.5k suggests a high tow rating 1/2ton.

Yes, it would be far better if the OP provided the full specs on the truck including axle ratings along with the specific trailer model including all weight ratings.

Of course it would be great if everyone could use their words when they ask a question.
But fwiw, 12500lbs is exactly what the rated towing capacity of mid 2010s F250s with 6.2/3.73 are rated…. And wait for it. F250 and 350 Powerstrokes with 3.31s, yup 12500lbs rated towing cap.
Jus sayin….
PS, it’s ratings like this that the less than informed get hung up on. Anyone really believe a 6.7 power stroke truck, any of them, isn’t more than capable of towing 6.25 tons?

Yes a bunch of 1/2 tons are rated that much or more. But they’re not suitable for the tongue weight of any 10klb dry TH that I’ve seen.

Have given up using marketing nomenclature (150, 250, 1500, half ton, etc) and if do, ask what their GVWR & RGAWR

Most important is the RGAWR. That tells much

Why provided a HOW2 figure it themselves with simple math and a trip to the scales.

Even then, they will only have brochure numbers for the trailer they want.

This is what drives more sales for the OEM…another newbie bought too small or too large and another purchase of either smaller trailer or bigger TV…or just drive it and deal with whatever crops up.

Think like most newbies, this OP is looking for an OK from the collective and will get many as advisors have no skin in the OP’s situation…

valhalla360 wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
Where does OP say what truck they have. They haven't.
No telling if as one noted, it may be limited by factory hitch...as my 05 dw Duramax was limited to 4500 or 5000 lbs, as it did not come with a hitch of any sort.
y

He doesn't but the tow rating gives us an idea. Most 3/4ton and larger trucks push north of 14k tow ratings, so 12.5k suggests a high tow rating 1/2ton.

Yes, it would be far better if the OP provided the full specs on the truck including axle ratings along with the specific trailer model including all weight ratings.

blt2ski wrote:
Where does OP say what truck they have. They haven't.
No telling if as one noted, it may be limited by factory hitch...as my 05 dw Duramax was limited to 4500 or 5000 lbs, as it did not come with a hitch of any sort.
y

He doesn't but the tow rating gives us an idea. Most 3/4ton and larger trucks push north of 14k tow ratings, so 12.5k suggests a high tow rating 1/2ton.

Yes, it would be far better if the OP provided the full specs on the truck including axle ratings along with the specific trailer model including all weight ratings.

bikendan wrote:

Desert Captain wrote:
"one correction, 300 lbs of passengers are already accounted for in the payload capacity. Also some amount of hitch wt, maybe 100 lbs(?) is also accounted for."

I don't think so... Payload usually does not include multiple passengers, just a 150# driver and half a tank of gas and does not address the WDH/weight.

We do agree the OP has way more trailer than truck...

:C

Towing Capacity usually includes a 150lb driver and full fuel tank.
Payload Capacity only includes the full fuel tank. The driver is considered as an Occupant and not factored into the Payload Capacity.

Dan and Captain,
SAE J2807 specifies 150 lb driver and 150 lb driver along with 100lbs of hitch equipment. All the OEM's have signed up to follow the standard.

“Tow Vehicle Total Weight” (TVTW) for testing for ¾- and 1-ton trucks allocates 150 pounds for the driver, 150 pounds for a passenger, the weight of all tow package equipment, and 100 pounds of optional equipment (hitch ball, weight distribution bars, and such) split evenly between the front and rear axles.

Motor Trend summary article on J2807 Cliky link

Frankly surprised no one has scolded him for posting about a TH in the TT section! Typically that would come at the same time or even before the inane payload arguments come to life.

blt2ski wrote:
Where does OP say what truck they have. They haven't.
No telling if as one noted, it may be limited by factory hitch...as my 05 dw Duramax was limited to 4500 or 5000 lbs, as it did not come with a hitch of any sort.
Legally speaking, OP can pull what ever they want. From a warranty and performance std that is given, pulling more wieght, or frontal area and a few other factors may make it so they have no warranty per say.
Reality, no one answering honestly knows IF the OPs TV can pull said toy hauler safely and sanely!

Marty

Well put Marty. And Merry New Years! Finally some action in the “what can I tow categories!!”

The OP is either being intentionally vague, or more likely unintentionally knows absolutely nothing about trucks/trailers/towing and doesn’t even know how to ask the question properly.
So yeah, all the weight cops been chomping at the bit to reply, it appears.
Will see what the OP adds for pertinent info.

bikendan wrote:

Desert Captain wrote:
"one correction, 300 lbs of passengers are already accounted for in the payload capacity. Also some amount of hitch wt, maybe 100 lbs(?) is also accounted for."

I don't think so... Payload usually does not include multiple passengers, just a 150# driver and half a tank of gas and does not address the WDH/weight.

We do agree the OP has way more trailer than truck...

:C

Towing Capacity usually includes a 150lb driver and full fuel tank.
Payload Capacity only includes the full fuel tank. The driver is considered as an Occupant and not factored into the Payload Capacity.

With 5-7tons on the hitch 1 or 2 passengers makes zero practical difference in payload or towing. Same story for a trailer half that size.
Recommendation, think twice about arguing over the minutia. It just shows you ignorance of the subject.

Where does OP say what truck they have. They haven't.
No telling if as one noted, it may be limited by factory hitch...as my 05 dw Duramax was limited to 4500 or 5000 lbs, as it did not come with a hitch of any sort.
Legally speaking, OP can pull what ever they want. From a warranty and performance std that is given, pulling more wieght, or frontal area and a few other factors may make it so they have no warranty per say.
Reality, no one answering honestly knows IF the OPs TV can pull said toy hauler safely and sanely!

Marty

Desert Captain wrote:
"one correction, 300 lbs of passengers are already accounted for in the payload capacity. Also some amount of hitch wt, maybe 100 lbs(?) is also accounted for."

I don't think so... Payload usually does not include multiple passengers, just a 150# driver and half a tank of gas and does not address the WDH/weight.

We do agree the OP has way more trailer than truck...

:C

Towing Capacity usually includes a 150lb driver and full fuel tank.
Payload Capacity only includes the full fuel tank. The driver is considered as an Occupant and not factored into the Payload Capacity.