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Dave_Pete
May 19, 2017Explorer II
Yeah, toilet - always an important subject these days. Outhouses just ain't what they used to be, or campers (meaning people) aren't.
But especially from a woman's point of view (meaning the girl child), having a place in the camper to go pee is paramount. Guys can "get it" when they try, but it don't come natural. Leaving the camper and going elsewhere, now that makes sense from the get go, but...
When we got Lil' Queeny she had a tiny Porti-Potti, (actually a Sears brand) in the water closet. It came out and went in our boat. Only a foot tall. It now sits real nicely in the right rear corner of the camper behind the wardrobe. If I put a simple one inch taller ledger board for the rear sofa, the bed will make up OVER the toilet height, and become easily accessible, day or night.
I have some orange plastic lenses (small windows) from the old Travel Queen parts camper - the one with the tomato soup colored appliances? I am going to incorporate those plastic lenses into a small slide out partition for that corner of the camper, a little privacy even when "close" family is there to hear you in your business. Failing that occasional process, everyone can be kicked out to go for a walk, like DW and I did in our pop-up forever.
(later Edit - those orange plastic panels will be used differently than described above. Privacy was accomplished with a shower style curtain and track.)
But before that, we have work to do. What do we do with this? And I don't mean the hanging trim, I mean the wall cabinet.
![](http://i.imgur.com/m8gwaz3.jpg)
Both came out - trim and wall cabinet. So it was disconnect and remove (D&R) the propane light, the cabinet doors and hardware, the cabinet mounting screws (some of which were harder to get than others as they buried the heads in the first row of wood and that makes removal impossible in some rotted wall framing cases. But it came out, went on the bench, and in fact it got rebuilt and finished yesterday. But that's a story for another day.
Here's what we had behind it.
![](http://i.imgur.com/Hk3jYZJ.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/cElKNrj.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/HXezQHx.jpg)
The 120 volt electrical inlet switch and fuse box.
![](http://i.imgur.com/8OiLZCb.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/SDmi8o1.jpg)
Yeah I know, I should have tarped.
![](http://i.imgur.com/X67dgWP.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/IVUOo2W.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/9Bk3IAm.jpg)
I found I wanted the window out.
![](http://i.imgur.com/7dLpPS5.jpg)
General window screws placement, top, bottom, left and right. Notice the rust or lack thereof. This tells me a story about the wood the screws were in.
![](http://i.imgur.com/QrnikRV.jpg)
Again, dry putty (don't use plumber's or RV putty tape - get the pricier and superior butyl tape stuff). This seems to be putty, although it has held up well, it still is dry and easily scraped off. The siliconized caulking was harder to scrape, but a white color, it was much easier than much of the silicone stuff I've come across elsewhere.
![](http://i.imgur.com/BrPM4Oi.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/KADtFoX.jpg)
I find Naptha, being a little oilier, removes this stuff better than other solvents. Takes a little rubbing on thicker portions so I get as much as I can first with the scraper.
![](http://i.imgur.com/xQc4Tfp.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/chd3Z89.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/UZh9KXj.jpg)
I also removed the new plastic electrical inlet the PO installed. And the other two holes are the galley sink drain and vent, some parts were already removed, some came off.
![](http://i.imgur.com/y9XeOEh.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/ZH56Wf9.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/rKAyTvb.jpg)
Next on the inside, appliance removal. The ice box was easy, four screws on the cabinet flange and pull the drain tube up and out with the unit.
(Later Edit - Remove the drain tube from the ice block tray. Then remove the unit with four screws. Install a new, or at least straight, piece of hose/tube last. Install the ice box, then gently stab the hose through the ice box and into the floor. Verify exterior (underneath) protrusion, then connect tube to ice block tray and install mounting four screws.)
Ranges are easy too. Get the gas connection, and two screws at the oven face, four at the stove top to counter.
![](http://i.imgur.com/7UFZDMj.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/HGcl0Z0.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/yca4j1U.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/q4ktXvw.jpg)
Here's the back side of the electrical inlet, behind that box.
![](http://i.imgur.com/YKw8AMM.jpg)
And removed.
![](http://i.imgur.com/VPMKo1F.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/ZrwolAN.jpg)
The sink water connections, city water at back and up through the floor, tank water on the side and through the cabinet sidewall.
![](http://i.imgur.com/ha1s6u9.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/1s2HNOW.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/YDWv6Gf.jpg)
And the drain/vent plumbing. The PO already had the trap out.
![](http://i.imgur.com/rK0x2m7.jpg)
Most of the cabinet mounting screws are easy to find. Some are trickier, like this one under a board the icebox rests on.
![](http://i.imgur.com/A5eInV8.jpg)
But eventually, you get them all. And the cabinet is wider than both the entry door opening, and any window openings. We'll have to refinish and build it in the camper, eventually.
![](http://i.imgur.com/Du44wCO.jpg)
This 1/8" hardboard (also known as drawer bottom) was the cabinet back. But not really. It was mainly camper wall. It, and the wood paneling above (the pieces of which are now awaiting burning in the fire pit), will all be replaced with real wood 1/8" paneling. Painted because it isn't like original. But that's a finishing story we don't have time to talk about right now.
![](http://i.imgur.com/CTsYj1y.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/DlnOxAU.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/YmTatHV.jpg)
Then it was the end of the day. We'll take out the rest of this tomorrow.
But especially from a woman's point of view (meaning the girl child), having a place in the camper to go pee is paramount. Guys can "get it" when they try, but it don't come natural. Leaving the camper and going elsewhere, now that makes sense from the get go, but...
When we got Lil' Queeny she had a tiny Porti-Potti, (actually a Sears brand) in the water closet. It came out and went in our boat. Only a foot tall. It now sits real nicely in the right rear corner of the camper behind the wardrobe. If I put a simple one inch taller ledger board for the rear sofa, the bed will make up OVER the toilet height, and become easily accessible, day or night.
I have some orange plastic lenses (small windows) from the old Travel Queen parts camper - the one with the tomato soup colored appliances? I am going to incorporate those plastic lenses into a small slide out partition for that corner of the camper, a little privacy even when "close" family is there to hear you in your business. Failing that occasional process, everyone can be kicked out to go for a walk, like DW and I did in our pop-up forever.
(later Edit - those orange plastic panels will be used differently than described above. Privacy was accomplished with a shower style curtain and track.)
But before that, we have work to do. What do we do with this? And I don't mean the hanging trim, I mean the wall cabinet.
![](http://i.imgur.com/m8gwaz3.jpg)
Both came out - trim and wall cabinet. So it was disconnect and remove (D&R) the propane light, the cabinet doors and hardware, the cabinet mounting screws (some of which were harder to get than others as they buried the heads in the first row of wood and that makes removal impossible in some rotted wall framing cases. But it came out, went on the bench, and in fact it got rebuilt and finished yesterday. But that's a story for another day.
Here's what we had behind it.
![](http://i.imgur.com/Hk3jYZJ.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/cElKNrj.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/HXezQHx.jpg)
The 120 volt electrical inlet switch and fuse box.
![](http://i.imgur.com/8OiLZCb.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/SDmi8o1.jpg)
Yeah I know, I should have tarped.
![](http://i.imgur.com/X67dgWP.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/IVUOo2W.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/9Bk3IAm.jpg)
I found I wanted the window out.
![](http://i.imgur.com/7dLpPS5.jpg)
General window screws placement, top, bottom, left and right. Notice the rust or lack thereof. This tells me a story about the wood the screws were in.
![](http://i.imgur.com/QrnikRV.jpg)
Again, dry putty (don't use plumber's or RV putty tape - get the pricier and superior butyl tape stuff). This seems to be putty, although it has held up well, it still is dry and easily scraped off. The siliconized caulking was harder to scrape, but a white color, it was much easier than much of the silicone stuff I've come across elsewhere.
![](http://i.imgur.com/BrPM4Oi.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/KADtFoX.jpg)
I find Naptha, being a little oilier, removes this stuff better than other solvents. Takes a little rubbing on thicker portions so I get as much as I can first with the scraper.
![](http://i.imgur.com/xQc4Tfp.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/chd3Z89.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/UZh9KXj.jpg)
I also removed the new plastic electrical inlet the PO installed. And the other two holes are the galley sink drain and vent, some parts were already removed, some came off.
![](http://i.imgur.com/y9XeOEh.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/ZH56Wf9.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/rKAyTvb.jpg)
Next on the inside, appliance removal. The ice box was easy, four screws on the cabinet flange and pull the drain tube up and out with the unit.
(Later Edit - Remove the drain tube from the ice block tray. Then remove the unit with four screws. Install a new, or at least straight, piece of hose/tube last. Install the ice box, then gently stab the hose through the ice box and into the floor. Verify exterior (underneath) protrusion, then connect tube to ice block tray and install mounting four screws.)
Ranges are easy too. Get the gas connection, and two screws at the oven face, four at the stove top to counter.
![](http://i.imgur.com/7UFZDMj.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/HGcl0Z0.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/yca4j1U.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/q4ktXvw.jpg)
Here's the back side of the electrical inlet, behind that box.
![](http://i.imgur.com/YKw8AMM.jpg)
And removed.
![](http://i.imgur.com/VPMKo1F.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/ZrwolAN.jpg)
The sink water connections, city water at back and up through the floor, tank water on the side and through the cabinet sidewall.
![](http://i.imgur.com/ha1s6u9.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/1s2HNOW.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/YDWv6Gf.jpg)
And the drain/vent plumbing. The PO already had the trap out.
![](http://i.imgur.com/rK0x2m7.jpg)
Most of the cabinet mounting screws are easy to find. Some are trickier, like this one under a board the icebox rests on.
![](http://i.imgur.com/A5eInV8.jpg)
But eventually, you get them all. And the cabinet is wider than both the entry door opening, and any window openings. We'll have to refinish and build it in the camper, eventually.
![](http://i.imgur.com/Du44wCO.jpg)
This 1/8" hardboard (also known as drawer bottom) was the cabinet back. But not really. It was mainly camper wall. It, and the wood paneling above (the pieces of which are now awaiting burning in the fire pit), will all be replaced with real wood 1/8" paneling. Painted because it isn't like original. But that's a finishing story we don't have time to talk about right now.
![](http://i.imgur.com/CTsYj1y.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/DlnOxAU.jpg)
![](http://i.imgur.com/YmTatHV.jpg)
Then it was the end of the day. We'll take out the rest of this tomorrow.
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