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May 13, 2017

1964 Roadrunner - Tow-Mater Cab-Over Bunk Resto-Mod

We've had two canned hammed trailers, back in our early years. We've also had several TTs, three TCs, one Class C, and a truck topper or two. So we're no strangers to this RV stuff, or even to vintage...
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Resto-Mod","id":"message:2626375","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":137,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:97797"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2626375"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2626375"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"We've had two canned hammed trailers, back in our early years. We've also had several TTs, three TCs, one Class C, and a truck topper or two. So we're no strangers to this RV stuff, or even to vintage...","body@stringLength":"6304","rawBody":"We've had two canned hammed trailers, back in our early years. We've also had several TTs, three TCs, one Class C, and a truck topper or two. So we're no strangers to this RV stuff, or even to vintage.

As some of you may know, I've been building a 1968 Travel Queen Resto-Mod TC for ourselves now, for about four years.

But the kids want to camp too! Especially DD and DGSs (that's dear daughter and grandsons). But the other day when dear son-in-law (DSIL) asked me to keep an eye open for a small RV unit (so they can graduate this year from the tent AND have a place to store camping gear instead of on a shop shelf), we started looking again for them.

As we drive from our home to theirs, near their house in \"the neighborhood\", we had noticed for years, this cute little forward bunk TT from the canned ham era. Always parked, always looking unused, always eye-balled, rubber-necked, as we've done with 4-5 others in the same neighborhood.

Then, two days ago as we took one of the grandsons home, both DW and I saw the \"for-sale\" sign at the same moment and we both said out load, \"That trailer's for sale!\". We called. The next morning it was ours.

















Yeah there's some work to do, and stuff to fix. But the more we looked it over, and the closer inspection we put into the interior, it's in much better condition that we originally thought. No evidence of mice. Hardly any evidence of use. Mostly neglected by lack of use - for over 50 years!

There is some water damage, some of which is pretty bad and needs major attention, but it is explainable, and therefore we can adapt - I think! We hope. The kids hope. They (especially the grandsons) want to camp THIS YEAR. When DW told DGS that GPA was going to fix it up like Lil' Queeny (our TC), he looked sad. But when she then told him not to the extent of Lil' Queeny, that it would be faster and ready to use soon, he smiled again.

We were struck by the usable floor plan. We love small size and double use. Not just a dinette that converts to a bed, but a sofa, that makes up into a bed, that is also the dinette - triple use. As we sat inside there last night at beer-thirty, we could see all the potential and multiple use areas.

Specs.

7' wide (85\"), 15' long - hitch (and forward edge of bunk) to the back bumper and body bulge. Fully loaded (with original tank set-ups) probably well under 3000 lbs. (Later Edit - When almost done, it grossed at about 2100 lbs dry and 400 lbs tongue weight. With water, propane and loaded to camp, expect about 3000 lbs, maybe 500 lbs tongue).

(Later Edit - with the axle flip, the camper is almost 9' high. Without axle flip, it is about 8'3\" tall.)

The title says the factory price was $2100. We bought it for $800. The axle is reversible, for that off-road clearance needed in our neck of the woods. That gains 8\"!

We'll get this thing stabilized and ready to use. Then we'll school the family on how to finish and restore, and modify it - make it theirs.

Enjoy the pics.

The ice box door is fiberglass. The oven is the baked enamel. We think that is dust grunge, not oxidation.



These are the original sofa cushions, still excellent condition except the one fabric ruined by the sun (cushion flipped to put the tear on the seat portion instead on the seat back). We can fix that!





The fold down tables are EASY to use and stow.









On the entry door side now.







The rear canvas double cot. Never used, it appears. Always stored out of the UV. Wait until you see it's unique storage location - and why it is still in new condition.





Rolls up to this.



And stores in the back cubby. When the bed is in use, the cubby can hold glasses, water bottles, etc.



The upper bunk had these floor tile carpets.





But underneath looked pretty darn good!



The wardrobe.





The floor is almost flawless, and not spongy anywhere. It's more sturdy than our 2013 Komfort 29' TT.



With curtains removed and all the windows opened, it was light everywhere, outside visuals almost in panoramic style, all working (and working well) Jalousie windows. On the hot, west side of the house, we should have been baking during beer-thirty. We didn't. The bunk shaded the window seat, and the ventilation was perfect.

Tomorrow I'll post more close-ups, specifics and areas of greater damage. I'll include plans for fixing and we'll just take it from there!","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2017-05-13T06:07:14.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":4,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2626375_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":60232},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"We've had two canned hammed trailers, back in our early years. We've also had several TTs, three TCs, one Class C, and a truck topper or two. So we're no strangers to this RV stuff, or even to vintage.

As some of you may know, I've been building a 1968 Travel Queen Resto-Mod TC for ourselves now, for about four years.

But the kids want to camp too! Especially DD and DGSs (that's dear daughter and grandsons). But the other day when dear son-in-law (DSIL) asked me to keep an eye open for a small RV unit (so they can graduate this year from the tent AND have a place to store camping gear instead of on a shop shelf), we started looking again for them.

As we drive from our home to theirs, near their house in \"the neighborhood\", we had noticed for years, this cute little forward bunk TT from the canned ham era. Always parked, always looking unused, always eye-balled, rubber-necked, as we've done with 4-5 others in the same neighborhood.

Then, two days ago as we took one of the grandsons home, both DW and I saw the \"for-sale\" sign at the same moment and we both said out load, \"That trailer's for sale!\". We called. The next morning it was ours.

















Yeah there's some work to do, and stuff to fix. But the more we looked it over, and the closer inspection we put into the interior, it's in much better condition that we originally thought. No evidence of mice. Hardly any evidence of use. Mostly neglected by lack of use - for over 50 years!

There is some water damage, some of which is pretty bad and needs major attention, but it is explainable, and therefore we can adapt - I think! We hope. The kids hope. They (especially the grandsons) want to camp THIS YEAR. When DW told DGS that GPA was going to fix it up like Lil' Queeny (our TC), he looked sad. But when she then told him not to the extent of Lil' Queeny, that it would be faster and ready to use soon, he smiled again.

We were struck by the usable floor plan. We love small size and double use. Not just a dinette that converts to a bed, but a sofa, that makes up into a bed, that is also the dinette - triple use. As we sat inside there last night at beer-thirty, we could see all the potential and multiple use areas.

Specs.

7' wide (85\"), 15' long - hitch (and forward edge of bunk) to the back bumper and body bulge. Fully loaded (with original tank set-ups) probably well under 3000 lbs. (Later Edit - When almost done, it grossed at about 2100 lbs dry and 400 lbs tongue weight. With water, propane and loaded to camp, expect about 3000 lbs, maybe 500 lbs tongue).

(Later Edit - with the axle flip, the camper is almost 9' high. Without axle flip, it is about 8'3\" tall.)

The title says the factory price was $2100. We bought it for $800. The axle is reversible, for that off-road clearance needed in our neck of the woods. That gains 8\"!

We'll get this thing stabilized and ready to use. Then we'll school the family on how to finish and restore, and modify it - make it theirs.

Enjoy the pics.

The ice box door is fiberglass. The oven is the baked enamel. We think that is dust grunge, not oxidation.



These are the original sofa cushions, still excellent condition except the one fabric ruined by the sun (cushion flipped to put the tear on the seat portion instead on the seat back). We can fix that!





The fold down tables are EASY to use and stow.









On the entry door side now.







The rear canvas double cot. Never used, it appears. Always stored out of the UV. Wait until you see it's unique storage location - and why it is still in new condition.





Rolls up to this.



And stores in the back cubby. When the bed is in use, the cubby can hold glasses, water bottles, etc.



The upper bunk had these floor tile carpets.





But underneath looked pretty darn good!



The wardrobe.





The floor is almost flawless, and not spongy anywhere. It's more sturdy than our 2013 Komfort 29' TT.



With curtains removed and all the windows opened, it was light everywhere, outside visuals almost in panoramic style, all working (and working well) Jalousie windows. On the hot, west side of the house, we should have been baking during beer-thirty. We didn't. The bunk shaded the window seat, and the ventilation was perfect.

Tomorrow I'll post more close-ups, specifics and areas of greater damage. I'll include plans for fixing and we'll just take it from there!"},"Conversation:conversation:2626375":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:2626375","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2626375"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2017-10-21T04:37:21.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2017-10-21T04:37:21.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":137,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2626375":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2626375","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:2626375_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:2626375_1","lastEditTime":"2017-05-13T06:07:14.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2626475":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:2626475","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2626375"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:97797"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":2626475,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"subject":"Re: 1964 Roadrunner - Tow-Mater Cab-Over Bunk Resto-Mod","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2626475"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2626375"},"body":"Today - staining doors and drawers, cleaning windows, report on past cushion work.

DW didn't have the full day to work with me. Afternoon commitments. But we got started early on our separate jobs.

Me? I did quick preparatory work on the doors and drawers while DW broke into the stains.

As she completed each, first they got stored on various surfaces, then eventually down onto the packing blankets.



Here are some of her tools.



I had to laugh. At one point, from the other side of the garage, DW said, \"I'm licking the can!\"



Cereal! That happened twice! Like the tinted polys, as you get down low in the can, even if you've been good at stirring it in every so often, the pigment falls, and the stain gets thicker, and darker.

We had the last of some \"natural\" stain (a half pint) we'd used on Lil' Queeny's counter and table. We mixed it into her remaining thicker pigmented \"Gunstock\". And she licked that can clean too! And had to really think on how best to stretch it right at the end, on some of the door backs.



But stretch it she did. And in reality, she got a really good amount into this old dry wood. She said it really drank the stuff up, that dry wood.







Then she got the ebony into these decorative drawer front grooves.



And the rear sofa slide out edge board (and the upper front bunk edge).



I haven't shown this yet either, the sofa back. That white is the same as the blackout fabric she's using behind the curtains, whip-stitched to the sofa vinyl edges over the sun damaged fabric. You maybe remember seeing the tear before.



This is how it started out. These photos, and this work, was back in early July.





See the manufacturer tag?



And the other cushion. I tore this one off, at risk of getting arrested!



The front sofa was in good shape.





Just a few minor tears to watch.





And I stretched and re-stapled the backing fabric.





My attempt to stabilize a vinyl tear at the folds.



To fix the rear sofa cushion, first DW did some under support stuff.





These covers are not zip off. So she did all the work by hand. That is a different kind of elbow grease, and somehow makes the fingers sore! She gets cuts and pokes (domestic stuff as much as anything) like I get cuts and pokes. We try to keep our hands hidden.

Okay, back to yesterday's work.

Me? I kept up on the organizing and finishing various little portions of the things going on, but mostly attended to the removal and cleaning of all the Jalousie window panes. I'll give a little info on those - a simple reminder to many of you.

The inside lower surface aluminum tabs are pulled down slightly, to let the glass pane slide over it, on both sides. Here you see the panes pulled out about an inch or so. To reinstall, the tabs snap back into place and hold the panes right fine!



This shows two panes back in place after being cleaned. The upper frame vacant.



With the glass out of the way, I could brush and clean up in here.



No full strength cleaning, just brushing off the loose stuff, and shop-vac-ing. I also sprayed silicon spray lube into the works. Each window now cranks open in an easy spin - with a thumb and forefinger.

As to cleaning the glass. I tried dull, and sharp razor blades, in a broken, and in a new razor blade scraper tool. That was over two days, with a shopping trip in-between the days, so I could replace the single razor blade I've been coaxing along now for months, and the tool I've been fighting for years. Oh I also bought a new steel scraper - for those other chores (I use those on EVERYTHING!).



I tried steel wool, I tried vinegar and steel wool (and razor blade).

I tried window cleaner. I washed them in the sink. I cleaned them wet, I cleaned them dry. I didn't find anything worked particularly better than anything else. Just like any other time, what I found worked best was the tub of elbow-grease. There's just no results like \"putting in the work\". Probably 50 years of hard-water buildup.





Eventually, I got to all the windows. Now these are not all removed and re-sealed yet. Just the frames serviced and the glass cleaned. New screens coming next.



See how much nicer these look cleaned? On the view above, the only window which has been removed and sealed is the upper bunk front. There is pretty good caulking on the remaining windows, so I have some time to get to them, and the door is okay, but a priority over the windows.

On this side...



The windows which have been removed and re-sealed are: the galley and rear side.

And the back window has been done too.



But at least they are all now cleaned and fresh.

Countdown to camping - 6 days!","body@stringLength":"6748","rawBody":"Today - staining doors and drawers, cleaning windows, report on past cushion work.

DW didn't have the full day to work with me. Afternoon commitments. But we got started early on our separate jobs.

Me? I did quick preparatory work on the doors and drawers while DW broke into the stains.

As she completed each, first they got stored on various surfaces, then eventually down onto the packing blankets.



Here are some of her tools.



I had to laugh. At one point, from the other side of the garage, DW said, \"I'm licking the can!\"



Cereal! That happened twice! Like the tinted polys, as you get down low in the can, even if you've been good at stirring it in every so often, the pigment falls, and the stain gets thicker, and darker.

We had the last of some \"natural\" stain (a half pint) we'd used on Lil' Queeny's counter and table. We mixed it into her remaining thicker pigmented \"Gunstock\". And she licked that can clean too! And had to really think on how best to stretch it right at the end, on some of the door backs.



But stretch it she did. And in reality, she got a really good amount into this old dry wood. She said it really drank the stuff up, that dry wood.







Then she got the ebony into these decorative drawer front grooves.



And the rear sofa slide out edge board (and the upper front bunk edge).



I haven't shown this yet either, the sofa back. That white is the same as the blackout fabric she's using behind the curtains, whip-stitched to the sofa vinyl edges over the sun damaged fabric. You maybe remember seeing the tear before.



This is how it started out. These photos, and this work, was back in early July.





See the manufacturer tag?



And the other cushion. I tore this one off, at risk of getting arrested!



The front sofa was in good shape.





Just a few minor tears to watch.





And I stretched and re-stapled the backing fabric.





My attempt to stabilize a vinyl tear at the folds.



To fix the rear sofa cushion, first DW did some under support stuff.





These covers are not zip off. So she did all the work by hand. That is a different kind of elbow grease, and somehow makes the fingers sore! She gets cuts and pokes (domestic stuff as much as anything) like I get cuts and pokes. We try to keep our hands hidden.

Okay, back to yesterday's work.

Me? I kept up on the organizing and finishing various little portions of the things going on, but mostly attended to the removal and cleaning of all the Jalousie window panes. I'll give a little info on those - a simple reminder to many of you.

The inside lower surface aluminum tabs are pulled down slightly, to let the glass pane slide over it, on both sides. Here you see the panes pulled out about an inch or so. To reinstall, the tabs snap back into place and hold the panes right fine!



This shows two panes back in place after being cleaned. The upper frame vacant.



With the glass out of the way, I could brush and clean up in here.



No full strength cleaning, just brushing off the loose stuff, and shop-vac-ing. I also sprayed silicon spray lube into the works. Each window now cranks open in an easy spin - with a thumb and forefinger.

As to cleaning the glass. I tried dull, and sharp razor blades, in a broken, and in a new razor blade scraper tool. That was over two days, with a shopping trip in-between the days, so I could replace the single razor blade I've been coaxing along now for months, and the tool I've been fighting for years. Oh I also bought a new steel scraper - for those other chores (I use those on EVERYTHING!).



I tried steel wool, I tried vinegar and steel wool (and razor blade).

I tried window cleaner. I washed them in the sink. I cleaned them wet, I cleaned them dry. I didn't find anything worked particularly better than anything else. Just like any other time, what I found worked best was the tub of elbow-grease. There's just no results like \"putting in the work\". Probably 50 years of hard-water buildup.





Eventually, I got to all the windows. Now these are not all removed and re-sealed yet. Just the frames serviced and the glass cleaned. New screens coming next.



See how much nicer these look cleaned? On the view above, the only window which has been removed and sealed is the upper bunk front. There is pretty good caulking on the remaining windows, so I have some time to get to them, and the door is okay, but a priority over the windows.

On this side...



The windows which have been removed and re-sealed are: the galley and rear side.

And the back window has been done too.



But at least they are all now cleaned and fresh.

Countdown to camping - 6 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