1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 12. Waste Water
Part 12. Waste Water is pretty much self-explanatory. Is it black? Is it grey? And how is it done in this vintage resto-mod so that advantage is gained in such a limited space? These are issues both p...
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I really appreciate your suggestions and comments guys.
I suppose there are MANY times readers have thought, "OH NO! DAVE! DON'T DO THAT!" and by then it's often too late. It's my hope that at those times, the final thought is more often than not - "hmmm well, that worked out better than I thought it would", or "Oh - I'm glad he ended up coming back and fixing THAT!" Or something similar. :)
But I'm one of those guys who sits on the very precipice of knowing just enough to get myself in trouble, and knowing just a little bit more so watch and learn. LOL
But let's address each of your suggestions one at a time.
AnEv - the grey tank floor support. Yes, I have questioned that very issue. The tank is made from what polyethelene? Is that the milk jug stuff? (I get my poly's confused sometimes). But it is thick walled and pretty heavy. Maybe as thick as 3/8"? Maybe that's pressing it, but the edges are very strong so I'm unconcerned about the battery weight, BECAUSE of the fact that the battery tray will ALSO be screwed via cleats to the side walls. And I suppose once that's done there won't really be any weight downward on the tank as it will ALL be supported by the screws, but that it just holds a tight position over the tank. However - the weight of the water itself in the tank is something I may not have considered in the initial install.
I was JUST a wee bit disappointed in the tank manufacturer as the bottom of the tank bows slightly inward; enough to have slightly reduced volume. Like a kid caught smoking, I didn't want to say anything to you guys - I figured one or more of you might take me out to the woodshed or something, so I covered it up and took no pictures and now I feel foolish. I should have come clean and returned it and.... well - just kidding, but I did try heating that surface under pressure and allowing it to cool filled with air pressure inside. It kind of came back to bowed once the air was removed. I figured water inside would add enough weight to expand it over time and I thought the midpoint support alone would even allow it to expand OUTWARD perhaps, even improving a little flow perhaps with it's elevated angle.
But you make a good point on the single support and the weight on that one support and therefore I took out the tank and started up making some additional supports.
Here's how the tank came out.
These supports were simply some scrap I had taken out of Lil' Queeny and already had an angled edge that I incorporated into the pieces used. I cut them to size on the table saw and at about the halfway size in between the surrounding support heights. As it turned out, due to the measurement and the angle on the boards, they both fit best slightly in from center to right around the battery area. That's a pretty good compromise on position I suppose. The angle as seen here...
actually looks a little worse than does the support board WITHOUT an angle as seen here...
so I'll probably play around with these some more before I secure and prime them. And since they turned out as they did, I might just replace their narrower nature with a full 1.5" wide support as on the others.
I still like having the airspace open below, but that's probably not even needed for freezing concerns. But you never can tell as sometimes we decide on a lark to go do something nuts, like Alaska in winter - huh Garry? (Just kidding - THAT'S not going to happen again). ;)
Incidentally and granted the furniture was removed when I started it, but the tank removal almost took less time than it took to take pictures! That's after the pipe redo with the no-hub couplers of course.
AnEv - The pipe dope. I'm glad you noticed the sudden appearances made by the various players (tools, materials) in the pictures. They have been intended. And I thought I had not only a picture of the pipe dope, but the actual pipe with the dope on the threads! It seems like sometimes my Google+ photo auto backup skips some pictures overnight and I miss posting some because of that. I thought that's what happened in this case, but going back over the pics on my phone gallery it didn't show up there either. So that must have been one of those moments when I thought, "Oooo, I should take a picture of that", just to immediately forget and go on to something else.
So - here's the shy little guy!
I read the label before use, but after your comment I re-read it. Sure enough, it says it's meant for plastic including polyethylene and PVC but NOT ABS. So again, thanks for the point out.
Having said that, I'm not sure I like the feel of the joint on THIS one either. I think I'm going to try Teflon tape. Anyone have suggestions for this issue? It just feels like if you are going to damage the threads before it get's tight enough :/
Garry - Traps and Vents. Yep, to trap or not to trap, that is the question. Whether it is better to give or receive or to suffer the stings and arrows of the elfish kingdom... (well there you go. I don't know my Shakespeare).
I had originally planned to place a bathroom sink trap exactly where you mention - and still may! I think I might give it some check-see first to see if it becomes an issue or not. It should be pretty easy to change if so. The reason I hesitate is this.
The area could be warmed, unless it is sealed and vented for the batteries. Even sealed and vented it may well remain above freezing most of the time. I don't have enough cabinet height here for vented battery boxes. This issue is still coming to gel.
The galley sink will likely be trapped, and that run has an original vent to the outside of the camper that I'll reuse, giving the grey tank a complete vent downstream of the galley sink trap as well, so we have that going for us - which is good. ;)
And, the bathroom sink is currently vented. It is simply a large 1.5" pipe upwards from the sanitary tee above the propane tanks. It rises as high as possible to prevent interference with the sink basin and sits approximately 1-2" below the sink rim, but at least well above the drain pipe. I'm hoping the flow travels nicely down the large drain pipes and doesn't overflow through the vent. If it does, at least it's outside the living space and would drain through the propane tank's floor vent. I'll keep an eye on that but I think it'll do the job.
Again, thanks for the input and thoughts guys. A good deal of my effort is directly related to having the job appear positive and of successful result to those of you who are viewing and who "know a thing or two".
I suppose there are MANY times readers have thought, "OH NO! DAVE! DON'T DO THAT!" and by then it's often too late. It's my hope that at those times, the final thought is more often than not - "hmmm well, that worked out better than I thought it would", or "Oh - I'm glad he ended up coming back and fixing THAT!" Or something similar. :)
But I'm one of those guys who sits on the very precipice of knowing just enough to get myself in trouble, and knowing just a little bit more so watch and learn. LOL
But let's address each of your suggestions one at a time.
AnEv - the grey tank floor support. Yes, I have questioned that very issue. The tank is made from what polyethelene? Is that the milk jug stuff? (I get my poly's confused sometimes). But it is thick walled and pretty heavy. Maybe as thick as 3/8"? Maybe that's pressing it, but the edges are very strong so I'm unconcerned about the battery weight, BECAUSE of the fact that the battery tray will ALSO be screwed via cleats to the side walls. And I suppose once that's done there won't really be any weight downward on the tank as it will ALL be supported by the screws, but that it just holds a tight position over the tank. However - the weight of the water itself in the tank is something I may not have considered in the initial install.
I was JUST a wee bit disappointed in the tank manufacturer as the bottom of the tank bows slightly inward; enough to have slightly reduced volume. Like a kid caught smoking, I didn't want to say anything to you guys - I figured one or more of you might take me out to the woodshed or something, so I covered it up and took no pictures and now I feel foolish. I should have come clean and returned it and.... well - just kidding, but I did try heating that surface under pressure and allowing it to cool filled with air pressure inside. It kind of came back to bowed once the air was removed. I figured water inside would add enough weight to expand it over time and I thought the midpoint support alone would even allow it to expand OUTWARD perhaps, even improving a little flow perhaps with it's elevated angle.
But you make a good point on the single support and the weight on that one support and therefore I took out the tank and started up making some additional supports.
Here's how the tank came out.
These supports were simply some scrap I had taken out of Lil' Queeny and already had an angled edge that I incorporated into the pieces used. I cut them to size on the table saw and at about the halfway size in between the surrounding support heights. As it turned out, due to the measurement and the angle on the boards, they both fit best slightly in from center to right around the battery area. That's a pretty good compromise on position I suppose. The angle as seen here...
actually looks a little worse than does the support board WITHOUT an angle as seen here...
so I'll probably play around with these some more before I secure and prime them. And since they turned out as they did, I might just replace their narrower nature with a full 1.5" wide support as on the others.
I still like having the airspace open below, but that's probably not even needed for freezing concerns. But you never can tell as sometimes we decide on a lark to go do something nuts, like Alaska in winter - huh Garry? (Just kidding - THAT'S not going to happen again). ;)
Incidentally and granted the furniture was removed when I started it, but the tank removal almost took less time than it took to take pictures! That's after the pipe redo with the no-hub couplers of course.
AnEv - The pipe dope. I'm glad you noticed the sudden appearances made by the various players (tools, materials) in the pictures. They have been intended. And I thought I had not only a picture of the pipe dope, but the actual pipe with the dope on the threads! It seems like sometimes my Google+ photo auto backup skips some pictures overnight and I miss posting some because of that. I thought that's what happened in this case, but going back over the pics on my phone gallery it didn't show up there either. So that must have been one of those moments when I thought, "Oooo, I should take a picture of that", just to immediately forget and go on to something else.
So - here's the shy little guy!
I read the label before use, but after your comment I re-read it. Sure enough, it says it's meant for plastic including polyethylene and PVC but NOT ABS. So again, thanks for the point out.
Having said that, I'm not sure I like the feel of the joint on THIS one either. I think I'm going to try Teflon tape. Anyone have suggestions for this issue? It just feels like if you are going to damage the threads before it get's tight enough :/
Garry - Traps and Vents. Yep, to trap or not to trap, that is the question. Whether it is better to give or receive or to suffer the stings and arrows of the elfish kingdom... (well there you go. I don't know my Shakespeare).
I had originally planned to place a bathroom sink trap exactly where you mention - and still may! I think I might give it some check-see first to see if it becomes an issue or not. It should be pretty easy to change if so. The reason I hesitate is this.
The area could be warmed, unless it is sealed and vented for the batteries. Even sealed and vented it may well remain above freezing most of the time. I don't have enough cabinet height here for vented battery boxes. This issue is still coming to gel.
The galley sink will likely be trapped, and that run has an original vent to the outside of the camper that I'll reuse, giving the grey tank a complete vent downstream of the galley sink trap as well, so we have that going for us - which is good. ;)
And, the bathroom sink is currently vented. It is simply a large 1.5" pipe upwards from the sanitary tee above the propane tanks. It rises as high as possible to prevent interference with the sink basin and sits approximately 1-2" below the sink rim, but at least well above the drain pipe. I'm hoping the flow travels nicely down the large drain pipes and doesn't overflow through the vent. If it does, at least it's outside the living space and would drain through the propane tank's floor vent. I'll keep an eye on that but I think it'll do the job.
Again, thanks for the input and thoughts guys. A good deal of my effort is directly related to having the job appear positive and of successful result to those of you who are viewing and who "know a thing or two".
