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Dave_Pete
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Oct 08, 2017

1970s Great Divide - Ta-Ton-Ka Sal-Va-Gion

Can I do this here? It's not a Travel Trailer. Of course, I suppose any of these vintage bumper-pull campers don't REALLY fit the definition of TT. Isn't a TT something that travels, not camps? Many of these things really should be called campers - whether Truck Campers, or Camp Trailers.

Besides, this is about salvage, and therefore salvation of old parts instead of - at worst - going to the landfill, and at best - just sitting there rotting in some yard. Thus, I coin a new term - Sal-Va-Gion. And it lessens new consumption.

Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without!

Many moons ago, Ta-Ton-Ka came to the ancestors, and he told them he was there to bring sustained life. But - if the people ever forgot, he would go.

The people used every part of the Buffalo. They used his hide for their shelters. They dried his meat, and it helped keep them alive through the cold times of the little death. All his organs and internals were used for their different values and for the different needs of the people. There was nothing wasted.

And then came another influence. Many fought against the changes, but many adopted the new ways. After a time of war, the changes had been made and Ta-Ton-Ka disappeared almost entirely from the land and the people starved, and they were cold, and many were sickened with strange and awful illness of the new influence.

Some people gathered together and drew strength from each other and fought against the influence. But they were too few and Ta-Ton-Ka never fully recovered. The taste of excess was too strong.

We found this Truck Camper, in all it's oddity, on Craigslist and traveled to Buffalo, WY to see it.



It was a difficult decision, because I never really saw it as a restore project, but one of salvagion. We may have spent too much, at $400, but that's simply subjective.

It's a 1970's era Great Divide TC, originally out of Colorado and probably started out life with a roof line looking something like this.



Obviously a previous owner thought it was too cramped in the bunk and made a modification. There's evidence throughout (I'm finding) that this owner was a Dave Pete sort of mod guy, in the sense that as I see examples of his work, I can relate. That is to say I see lots of quality work. However, I can't say much for the aesthetics of that cab-over bunk. Whoa!

It's kind of interesting; Tow-Mater for example, has a rising roof-line to the tune of 8" total. Ta-Ton-Ka's, on the other hand, is 12". Ain't it amazing what a difference 4" can make?



On our way home from purchase, we named it Ta-Ton-Ka, because its profile looks to us like a cartoon character of a charging Buffalo!

We wondered just how it might be used, with such an ugly mod. Was it cool? Was it weird? The jury is still out.





But note the non-original seams and patches in the siding. The roof is also strange, but seems to be sealing!

Perhaps one of the reasons the PO found it too cramped, was that the bunk was on drawer guides. In other words, the bunk-bed slides out to make it a wider E-S bed, and the heavy duty slides it is on, raises the base even higher than a cramped non-sliding bunk floor would have.

Here it is pushed in.





It's a cool idea I guess, but it's not a clean build. All those hard to reach crevices.

Here it is pulled out.







But here's the deal breaker. Mice urine soaked lower wood floor.



And the stench wasn't apparent, until pulling out the slide.



Not a lot bothers me about old and dirty, but mouse infestation - that's like a non-starter to me. Indiana Jones is afraid of snakes, I'm not interested in getting Hanta-virus.

The bunk was actually stuck closed. It took some real pulling and jerking, for which I used the respirator, but when it finally broke loose, I suspected the guy we bought from, who said it was given to him (he's kind of a old camper builder), never really knew about this condition. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Our first impression after realizing the rodent damage, and because of the oddity of the mod, is to take a Saws-all and cut most of the cab-over bunk off and allow it to drop to the ground. Only then, in the great outdoors (still with breathing protection), will we determine whether or not the slide mechanism is salvageable.

But there is much about this camper that IS salvageable, including portions of the interior wood paneling, cabinets, wiring and propane lines, etc. Not to mention the sheet-metal and appliances.

For now, the bunk is slid closed, after I spray soaked it with Chlorine. And "closed" controls the scent quite well. The dinette areas have become a dry storage location for extra parts that have been moved from the 1995 Skamper Camper, which sits nearby, as it's becoming more and more open to the elements.

Here's what else is being harvested.

The galley basin...



Which now resides nicely in Tow-Mater.

The icebox...



Smaller than Tow-Mater's, but still of the same color scheme; it has a little wear and damage, but I think I might make a portable style beer-cooler out of it to go with Tow-Mater. It's hanging out, after first cleaning, under Lil' Queeny's wing (one of those extra projects).

This gravity heater (like in Tow-Mater), which is currently being worked and will have it's own post in this thread one of these next days, is made by Peerless.





The tomato-soup red range hood. On the shelf now, along with the beige one from the Skamper.



But that range, obviously not original. What is it?

Why it's a Princess!



And how can we use that? We don't exactly know yet, but yesterday I finished it up (cleaning, inspection, testing) and it now sits on a high shelf.

That's the subject of tomorrow's post.

And the Great Spirit of the Sky said, I give you the Buffalo for your sustenance. Do not be tempted by the excesses of the new influence. Never stray from a simple life. You must work hard, but your efforts will pay off. Allow the earth to provide, but do not abuse your Mother - or you will die!

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  • Uhhh yeah, I'll get back to you all on that extra cash thing for building materials. Seriously - truly a kind thought that is. :)

    Today: Up Close and Personal with a Bronze Princess (Range).

    We now have three - currently unused - gas ranges: the white floor-standing apartment-size model Preway for Fairweather June, the 1995 Wedgewood out of the Skamper Camper (kind of planned for use in DS's special kind of build - if we go that way, instead of another small canned ham as another possible route), and the "Bronze Princess" brought to the dance by Ta-Ton-Ka.

    It seems to me, Ta-Ton-Ka's previous owner (PO), had a tomato-soup red range fail on him, and he put in this extra range he had on hand. Or, he preferred this older range to the newer model style (Ta-Ton-Ka is a 70's) and swapped it, simply because of preference. Whatever the reason, it was there, and it was a good install, relatively speaking (filled gap in the rear due to less depth).

    This bronze range...



    Here's how this range compares to the 1995 Wedgewood, one that's more specific to the standards of recent decades.

    Princess:
    Weight - 58 lbs
    19.5" W by 21.5" (rear) or 19.5" (stovetop) H by 19" D.
    Install Depth 17".

    Wedgewood:
    Weight - 53 lbs
    21" W by 17.5" H by 21.5" D
    Install Depth 19" and Width 20.25".

    And HERE'S some cool points! This Bronze Princess MIGHT have even been OURS many moons ago! Okay, you ask, "How do I figure?"

    Well, we had our first canned ham - a white and black 1954 something or other that I painted all white in my buddy's aircraft hangar - early in our married life. It only had a stove top, as DW recalls - I don't have a memory on it.

    When the kids got old enough to each carry a small day-pack, we sold it and used the proceeds for back-packing gear. Soon thereafter, we recognized how serious a mistake it is to do such a stupid thing, and got back into looking for a camper of some kind.

    I had a 1972 GMC 3/4 ton 4x4; DW drove the '71 Blazer. We found a 70's 8' TC for cheap, and never got it put on the truck because my Dad had just bought a huge used Pace Arrow Class A MH, and gave us their 1972 11.5' TC, a Monaco - I think.

    We used it for a couple of trips (that whole Boot Hill experience in Deadwood!), but it was huge, and heavy, and rotted, and creaky, and scary!

    Then we located our second canned ham, a 1960 something or other, two-tone brown (it was sharp looking), and I removed the old "less desirable" appliances: range, ice-box. In their place, I put the gifted TC's range - an Avocado Green Holiday - just like in Lil' Queeny, and a faux wood paneled Hadco 410 Fridge - just like in Lil' Queeny. The fridge stuck out in the room. I had to frame it in with 1x4's on edge, so a 3.5" jut out to accommodate the new depth of that cabinet.

    I don't recall what happened to the spare icebox, but I had a co-worker/sometimes hunting partner, who needed a range for his camp trailer - and we gave him that spare range from the 1960. He - like we are - was a vocal proponent of having an oven along. We're going to make a post, after our upcoming trip this week, that sings the praises of the camp oven, and why one shouldn't fall for the marketing of NOT having an oven.

    The only thing I can remember about the range we gave ol' Ron, was that it was bronze/brown (just like this little Princess), and it had an obvious older look/feel to it (just like this little Princess), including a back-splash thing - whatever that rear rise is correctly called.

    Now we bought Ta-Ton-Ka from a fella in Buffalo, WY, which is at the base of the Big Horn Mountains, where Ron and I used to hunt elk. Ron frequented this area of Wyoming - in fact these days he lives in a small town on the other side of the mountain. It is NOT unreasonable to believe his camper eventually gave up the bronze Princess range, to someone else in the area, who put it in Ta-Ton-ka.

    The philosophical way of looking at this is, "What goes around, comes around".

    So as far as I'm concerned, it's quite justifiable for DW and me to view our little Bronze Princess, as a Prodigal Princess - and in celebration of her return, we will to slaughter the fatted Buffalo - Ta-Ton-Ka! And in the spirit of - and respect for - our native brothers, try and use every part! Except of course, that portion which we'll return to the earth (landfill). And we hope to keep that minimal, since Ta-Ton-Ka isn't as organic as we'd like.

    So you can see, this range needs a special home - and a special theme. We'll simply have to keep our eyes open. But I'm already liking the "Bronze Princess" idea. ;)

    Now early on, before Tow-Mater made apparent his nature, we were discussing names. Westend suggested Princess. Maybe westend simply had a premonition! The truth is stranger than fiction folks.

    I pulled off the parts and set them aside.



    Then I started into cleaning and began shooting photos again.



    Looks like a little damage to the baked enamel at the left corner of the stove top. Hadn't noticed that until just now, so I think the picture is worse than actual, but maybe not.



    Note the oven door handle is chrome, but the emblem is plastic, with a little faux chrome plate peel going on. We may try and do some fix to the blue paint, but we won't do much to the emblem - just keep it clean, I think.



    Now in the oven.





    Here's the oven's gas valve orifice bottom right, that the oven burner tube slides over.



    Of course, above it is the heat diffuser, placed between the burner, and the removable oven floor, which in turn sits below the adjustable wire shelf.

    One of the problems with salvaged appliances like this can be the loss of certain parts - like stove grates. The 1995 Wedgewood for instance, is missing its grates. But the Princess has hers.



    AND the knobs - sans damage!



    Now check those out close. The metal band (aluminum) folds over at the ends and bends into position, holding fast in the two slots provided at the knob. Can you say "quality"? Attention to detail, pride in workmanship?

    Of course these days you might say, "too expensive, let me see what I can get from China on Amazon", and you'd fit right in with the main social masses. I'm not preaching here - I'm one of them! I suppose the lesson for me is to try and think more deeply. It's become VERY easy these days to just go along with the crowd, all while whining about one issue or another, designed to keep us at each other's throats. I think one good solution to THAT dilemma is for us to try and exercise our thinking capability. Issues are deeper than propaganda.

    Check out this gas valve manifold. Too simple! I love simple.



    Here you have three valves for the stove top burners, and the one with the tube connected already is for the oven. And of course in the foreground, the gas supply connection.

    And from the front.



    Here's another part that can get lost easy - the grate clips.



    Our local RV joint didn't have grate retainer clips like these. We needed some for Lil' Queeny. Instead they had a set of the wire type. I bought those and we used them in Tow-Mater...





    Tow-Mater had in a drawer, an original set of these band types, still in their plastic bag, in brand-new condition! We took them for Lil' Queeny.

    But the Princess retainers were kind of rusty. So I ran a small wire brush around on them, and then put 'em that WD40 bath above. Then while those relaxed for a minute of private soak time, I got the stove burners on.



    Then lowered the stove cover and added grates, placed clips. I had to re-shape a couple of the clips a bit, but now they're nice and snug - that outta hold them.



    Alright, let's move on to the oven.



    First on, the burner tube slid over the orifice and fastened to the diffuser plate with two screws. Wire brush, WD40.



    Then the removable over floor and adjustable wire shelf.



    And after a leak check, time for the smoke test. BTW, if I ever disappear from here? Probably just a failed smoke test.



    Note the one spot of orange flame. It was dancing all around and the camera KIND of captured it. Here's another.



    Eventually I'll let the tiny particles of dust and stuff clear out, and then maybe come back in and adjust the air baffle down there on the burner tube. But this is just a check for operation, not fine tuning. And really, the blue flame looks real healthy, so probably no air-baffle adjustment is needed - just dust burn out.

    Here's the lowest setting before the whole flame started to flicker. So this is low setting.



    Similar situation on the stove burners.



    And with that, our little Bronze Princess took her place on a high shelf and awaits her final destiny.

  • Dave Pete wrote:
    gmw photos wrote:
    ...by the time we get around to that barn-raising it's gonna need to be a really big barn for all these projects !


    Now who should I send my floor plan to? I have it all drawn up. ;)



    I'd say you need to send the floor plan to the accountant-in-charge ;)

    You write the checks for materials I'd bet we can get a group together :)
  • gmw photos wrote:
    ...by the time we get around to that barn-raising it's gonna need to be a really big barn for all these projects !


    Now who should I send my floor plan to? I have it all drawn up. ;)
  • Definitely have head room in the loft now !

    D-P, by the time we get around to that barn-raising it's gonna need to be a really big barn for all these projects !