2005 F 250 Super Duty Question...Long Ramble

I would like to take a moment to say Thanks for all of you that sent me pertinent information to the original posting...
All the information is helping educate me on the diesel experience, lol!
I have had this 6.0 for some time and It has been a great workhorse for us!
When I had my truck in the shop, they're were several New Dodge Diesels, as well as a couple Fords being repaired.
Again, thanks for your help and willingness to share time and knowledge!

shadows4 wrote:

Flashman wrote:

blofgren wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Yeah I have heard from a few shops that the Internationals 6.0l in the MDT that didn't have the hotter tuning by Ford had a much better track record. I also think they had less or none of the emission equipment but not sure.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.

It has been said that the detuned version in the E Series vans were better too; as you can see in my earlier posts our 2 at work definitely blow this myth out of the water. I would actually say they have been worse than the F-450 and F-550 crew cab dumps that we have (and had) and they have been far from stellar themselves.

The other issue that it has caused for us at work is cutting into production big time. Guys waiting for tow trucks, switching tools and materials into loaner and rental trucks and then back countless numbers of times takes its toll on productivity. We actually talked several times that these trucks could very well put a small or even mid size company out of business with the downtime and huge repair bills. And these trucks have been maintained VERY well with oil changes every 5k kms (3k miles) and more than recommended fuel filter, coolant changes, etc. all with Motorcraft filters. These issues are NOT related to lack of maintenance.

Well said.

A powerful condemnation of the Ford 6.0. And of the fact that Ford keep selling them for years after it became known how bad they were.

The real mystery was why people keep buying them??

As someone posted before - battered wife syndrome.

Some people just prefer a better truck. Even with the known problems I would take a Ford 6.0 over a Dodge or Ram any day.

Really?? I'd rather just walk...LOL
Actually I'd take a 6.0 over walking.
I have past on a few 6.0 when truck shopping. I passed on a nice rear bucket seat Excursion due to the 6.0.
I simply would not own a 6.0 at this point. There are just to many better options to become part of the known 6.0 mess.
The 6.0 is old news I can't believe how much we still discuss it.
There are no 6.0 bargains to be had. You could not pay me to take one. OK maybe you could pay me, particularly if it kept me from walking.

shadows4 wrote:

Flashman wrote:

blofgren wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Yeah I have heard from a few shops that the Internationals 6.0l in the MDT that didn't have the hotter tuning by Ford had a much better track record. I also think they had less or none of the emission equipment but not sure.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.

It has been said that the detuned version in the E Series vans were better too; as you can see in my earlier posts our 2 at work definitely blow this myth out of the water. I would actually say they have been worse than the F-450 and F-550 crew cab dumps that we have (and had) and they have been far from stellar themselves.

The other issue that it has caused for us at work is cutting into production big time. Guys waiting for tow trucks, switching tools and materials into loaner and rental trucks and then back countless numbers of times takes its toll on productivity. We actually talked several times that these trucks could very well put a small or even mid size company out of business with the downtime and huge repair bills. And these trucks have been maintained VERY well with oil changes every 5k kms (3k miles) and more than recommended fuel filter, coolant changes, etc. all with Motorcraft filters. These issues are NOT related to lack of maintenance.

Well said.

A powerful condemnation of the Ford 6.0. And of the fact that Ford keep selling them for years after it became known how bad they were.

The real mystery was why people keep buying them??

As someone posted before - battered wife syndrome.

Some people just prefer a better truck. Even with the known problems I would take a Ford 6.0 over a Dodge or Ram any day.

Now that I see where you work I now understand your comment much more. With all due respect, though, to say a Ford 6.0 is better than a Dodge or Ram is VERY narrow minded (especially a Cummins powered Ram). Simply put, the 6.0 was a huge black eye on Ford and I owned one. The two Ford trucks I owned before that, a 1994 F-150 XLT 5.8L and a 1996 F-250 XL S/C 4x4 7.3L 5 speed manual were both excellent trucks. My 2003 F-350 6.0L not so much. And my family bleeds blue; my grandfather was general sales manager in a Ford dealership for many years. I was set on buying another Super Duty, but when I started to read the issues with the 6.7L and looked at the complexity of them at work I simply could not do it again. I am VERY happy with the truck I chose.:)

BTW if I could give any advice it would be to keep your 7.3L; it is a MUCH better truck than any 6.0L and is very desirable. As a matter of fact I would still consider a cherry 7.3L in a Lariat crew cab dually 4x4.

You had me up to your last statement. I can understand you don't like the engine, the reputation or your experience but why ask/attack others for owning or liking them? Can't we all like different trucks for different reasons. I notice whenever someone asks any 6.0L questions the threads starts with the trucks then the insults sling then the thread gets closed down. We need a little more decorum here.

Flashman wrote:

blofgren wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Yeah I have heard from a few shops that the Internationals 6.0l in the MDT that didn't have the hotter tuning by Ford had a much better track record. I also think they had less or none of the emission equipment but not sure.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.

It has been said that the detuned version in the E Series vans were better too; as you can see in my earlier posts our 2 at work definitely blow this myth out of the water. I would actually say they have been worse than the F-450 and F-550 crew cab dumps that we have (and had) and they have been far from stellar themselves.

The other issue that it has caused for us at work is cutting into production big time. Guys waiting for tow trucks, switching tools and materials into loaner and rental trucks and then back countless numbers of times takes its toll on productivity. We actually talked several times that these trucks could very well put a small or even mid size company out of business with the downtime and huge repair bills. And these trucks have been maintained VERY well with oil changes every 5k kms (3k miles) and more than recommended fuel filter, coolant changes, etc. all with Motorcraft filters. These issues are NOT related to lack of maintenance.

Well said.

A powerful condemnation of the Ford 6.0. And of the fact that Ford keep selling them for years after it became known how bad they were.

The real mystery was why people keep buying them??

As someone posted before - battered wife syndrome.

shadows4 wrote:

Flashman wrote:

blofgren wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Yeah I have heard from a few shops that the Internationals 6.0l in the MDT that didn't have the hotter tuning by Ford had a much better track record. I also think they had less or none of the emission equipment but not sure.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.

It has been said that the detuned version in the E Series vans were better too; as you can see in my earlier posts our 2 at work definitely blow this myth out of the water. I would actually say they have been worse than the F-450 and F-550 crew cab dumps that we have (and had) and they have been far from stellar themselves.

The other issue that it has caused for us at work is cutting into production big time. Guys waiting for tow trucks, switching tools and materials into loaner and rental trucks and then back countless numbers of times takes its toll on productivity. We actually talked several times that these trucks could very well put a small or even mid size company out of business with the downtime and huge repair bills. And these trucks have been maintained VERY well with oil changes every 5k kms (3k miles) and more than recommended fuel filter, coolant changes, etc. all with Motorcraft filters. These issues are NOT related to lack of maintenance.

Well said.

A powerful condemnation of the Ford 6.0. And of the fact that Ford keep selling them for years after it became known how bad they were.

The real mystery was why people keep buying them??

As someone posted before - battered wife syndrome.

Some people just prefer a better truck. Even with the known problems I would take a Ford 6.0 over a Dodge or Ram any day.

Of course you would. There is no cure for ##$$%.

Oh well I used to be in your camp. Then Ford really burned me out of the factory warranty on my Exploder

Never Ford again.

Flashman wrote:

blofgren wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Yeah I have heard from a few shops that the Internationals 6.0l in the MDT that didn't have the hotter tuning by Ford had a much better track record. I also think they had less or none of the emission equipment but not sure.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.

It has been said that the detuned version in the E Series vans were better too; as you can see in my earlier posts our 2 at work definitely blow this myth out of the water. I would actually say they have been worse than the F-450 and F-550 crew cab dumps that we have (and had) and they have been far from stellar themselves.

The other issue that it has caused for us at work is cutting into production big time. Guys waiting for tow trucks, switching tools and materials into loaner and rental trucks and then back countless numbers of times takes its toll on productivity. We actually talked several times that these trucks could very well put a small or even mid size company out of business with the downtime and huge repair bills. And these trucks have been maintained VERY well with oil changes every 5k kms (3k miles) and more than recommended fuel filter, coolant changes, etc. all with Motorcraft filters. These issues are NOT related to lack of maintenance.

Well said.

A powerful condemnation of the Ford 6.0. And of the fact that Ford keep selling them for years after it became known how bad they were.

The real mystery was why people keep buying them??

As someone posted before - battered wife syndrome.

Some people just prefer a better truck. Even with the known problems I would take a Ford 6.0 over a Dodge or Ram any day.

blofgren wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Yeah I have heard from a few shops that the Internationals 6.0l in the MDT that didn't have the hotter tuning by Ford had a much better track record. I also think they had less or none of the emission equipment but not sure.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.

It has been said that the detuned version in the E Series vans were better too; as you can see in my earlier posts our 2 at work definitely blow this myth out of the water. I would actually say they have been worse than the F-450 and F-550 crew cab dumps that we have (and had) and they have been far from stellar themselves.

The other issue that it has caused for us at work is cutting into production big time. Guys waiting for tow trucks, switching tools and materials into loaner and rental trucks and then back countless numbers of times takes its toll on productivity. We actually talked several times that these trucks could very well put a small or even mid size company out of business with the downtime and huge repair bills. And these trucks have been maintained VERY well with oil changes every 5k kms (3k miles) and more than recommended fuel filter, coolant changes, etc. all with Motorcraft filters. These issues are NOT related to lack of maintenance.

Well said.

A powerful condemnation of the Ford 6.0. And of the fact that Ford keep selling them for years after it became known how bad they were.

The real mystery was why people keep buying them??

As someone posted before - battered wife syndrome.

rowekmr wrote:
Yeah I have heard from a few shops that the Internationals 6.0l in the MDT that didn't have the hotter tuning by Ford had a much better track record. I also think they had less or none of the emission equipment but not sure.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.

It has been said that the detuned version in the E Series vans were better too; as you can see in my earlier posts our 2 at work definitely blow this myth out of the water. I would actually say they have been worse than the F-450 and F-550 crew cab dumps that we have (and had) and they have been far from stellar themselves.

The other issue that it has caused for us at work is cutting into production big time. Guys waiting for tow trucks, switching tools and materials into loaner and rental trucks and then back countless numbers of times takes its toll on productivity. We actually talked several times that these trucks could very well put a small or even mid size company out of business with the downtime and huge repair bills. And these trucks have been maintained VERY well with oil changes every 5k kms (3k miles) and more than recommended fuel filter, coolant changes, etc. all with Motorcraft filters. These issues are NOT related to lack of maintenance.

Yeah I have heard from a few shops that the Internationals 6.0l in the MDT that didn't have the hotter tuning by Ford had a much better track record. I also think they had less or none of the emission equipment but not sure.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.

Most of the 6.0 problems were related to the emissions equipment and not from the factory tuning.

Not according to Ford's own internal email documents that were presented in court. :E According to Ford "they" went over spec by a bunch with cylinder pressure.