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Bedlam wrote:
4x4ord wrote:
So we all agree that the three are now pretty close to equal. It took GM and Ram 15 years to get their truck to a level that is able to compete with what Ford basically brought out almost 10 years ago and it took Ford and Ram nearly 15 years to come up with an engine and transmission that would compete with the Duramax/Allison.
I feel that when Ford released the 5R110 and 6R140 transmissions, they had a solid offering that can compete with the Allison and Aisin - You don't hear about problems that used to show up in the 4R100. Ford had trouble with some of their engines, which really hurt their reputation. Evidently, I found a competent dealer that was able to warranty the work he did on mine. Not only did they fix it right the first time, but they jumped on the work quickly knowing we were heading out on a long trip fully loaded in few days.
When I was truck shopping last time, I felt the GM was under sprung for the tasks I required but at the same time was impressed with its ride comfort and quietness. I wish they still made a Class 5 I could compare to the competition this time around.
I have to wonder if you still require a class 5? I think the new one tons are truck enough for almost any RV.NC Hauler wrote:
larry barnhart wrote:
In our town the car salesmen would work for their dealer for many years. Now you also never see the same sales people again. Times have changed for most businesses.
chevman
Times have changed Larry....but the dealer that I've purchased most of my vehicles from since 1997 have had a BIG turnover in Sales people over the years, except for the Salesman that took care of me in 97'...he's still there.. and been pretty good to me over the last 17 years.:)
That sounds like my Ford salesman. He's semi-retired and only does business with returning customers or referrals. Most of the time he works out of his house instead of the dealership.waynec1957 wrote:
4x4ord wrote:
waynec1957 wrote:
Personally... I think this discussion proves what we all already know. Most people, with a few exceptions, drive what they like. The only Ford I've ever owned was an old Econoline van. Ford's are just not my thing. I don't like the way the new trucks look and their noisier than they have to be.
I had a 94' 1500 Dodge Ram. Bought it because (1) the GM dealer PO'ed me the day I went to buy a new truck and I liked the new Dodge body style. But it had a HUGE blind spot on the passenger side windshield post, it never rode as good as my GM trucks, and the transmission went out of it at less than 10k miles. On the new ones, the tow mirrors coming at you remind me of Bullwinkle moose. And Rams are also noisier than they have to be.
Other than those things, I wouldn't be afraid to hook up with anyone of them and do what this test did. Performance wise, there's not a nickel's difference between the three. The rest of it, IMHO, is brand loyalty and personal preference.
If you have actually came close to a new Ford that was running you likely assumed it was shut off. They are extremely quiet. While both cruising and under full acceleration the Ford interior is quieter than a Lexus sedan.
I've never been in the cab of a new Dodge or Ford, so I don't know what they're like inside. But I don't always drive with my windows rolled up and when I set next to either one at a stop light I can't hear my Duramax running over them. And if you're standing behind my Duramax, the only way you know it's running is the heat coming from the exhaust.
Again..it's a Preference thing, and maybe a perception thing. I read in another thread where someone said the Ram is the only truck left that sounds like a truck. But as far as performance, I don't think there's a nickel's difference between any of them.
Your likely pulling along side older trucks. The Duramax is quiet, it might even be a little quieter than the new Cummins but when I pull the Ford up along side my brothers Duramax so we can talk through the windows I am only half joking when I tell him to "shut that rattle can off so we can hear each other." :)larry barnhart wrote:
In our town the car salesmen would work for their dealer for many years. Now you also never see the same sales people again. Times have changed for most businesses.
chevman
Times have changed Larry....but the dealer that I've purchased most of my vehicles from since 1997 have had a BIG turnover in Sales people over the years, except for the Salesman that took care of me in 97'...he's still there.. and been pretty good to me over the last 17 years.:)4x4ord wrote:
waynec1957 wrote:
Personally... I think this discussion proves what we all already know. Most people, with a few exceptions, drive what they like. The only Ford I've ever owned was an old Econoline van. Ford's are just not my thing. I don't like the way the new trucks look and their noisier than they have to be.
I had a 94' 1500 Dodge Ram. Bought it because (1) the GM dealer PO'ed me the day I went to buy a new truck and I liked the new Dodge body style. But it had a HUGE blind spot on the passenger side windshield post, it never rode as good as my GM trucks, and the transmission went out of it at less than 10k miles. On the new ones, the tow mirrors coming at you remind me of Bullwinkle moose. And Rams are also noisier than they have to be.
Other than those things, I wouldn't be afraid to hook up with anyone of them and do what this test did. Performance wise, there's not a nickel's difference between the three. The rest of it, IMHO, is brand loyalty and personal preference.
If you have actually came close to a new Ford that was running you likely assumed it was shut off. They are extremely quiet. While both cruising and under full acceleration the Ford interior is quieter than a Lexus sedan.
I've never been in the cab of a new Dodge or Ford, so I don't know what they're like inside. But I don't always drive with my windows rolled up and when I set next to either one at a stop light I can't hear my Duramax running over them. And if you're standing behind my Duramax, the only way you know it's running is the heat coming from the exhaust.
Again..it's a Preference thing, and maybe a perception thing. I read in another thread where someone said the Ram is the only truck left that sounds like a truck. But as far as performance, I don't think there's a nickel's difference between any of them.- I agree - I'm trying to find a good Ram dealer. We had the same issue when looking at VW's: The closest dealer was terrible, but there were plenty of other VW dealers that treated their customers well in the local area. We had no problem going a different direction from our home to a better one. Since I am looking at commercial vehicles, there are fewer Ford and Ram dealers to choose from than if I wanted a smaller pickup.
- In our town the car salesmen would work for their dealer for many years. Now you also never see the same sales people again. Times have changed for most businesses.
chevman Bedlam wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
I've been doing my comparisons of the Class 5's from Ford and Ram. Although the trucks are neck and neck for what I want, I'm really struggling finding a Ram dealer in western WA that wants to work for a sale - They keep playing games instead of sending me the specifications and pricing for 2015 models.
Don't waste your time with these monkeys on this side of the mountain. Contact Dave Smith in Kellog, ID.
The Ram dealers haven't changed after 10 years. Dodge lost my business back then because dealers were only interested in wasting my time and more than one Ford dealer went out their of their way to make me a happy customer and they are still keeping me happy (my after sale support has been excellent). It's very tempting to make a run to ID or OR for a new truck. However, I would still be giving the local Ram dealers (who would not take the effort to make a sale) my service work, which just grates on me...
Everyone has a dealer story to share both good and bad from any of the manufacturers. While this is YOUR experience doesn't mean someone would have the same opinion of their Ford dealer. I guess what I am trying to say is every manufacturer has their share of good and bad dealers out there.4x4ord wrote:
So we all agree that the three are now pretty close to equal. It took GM and Ram 15 years to get their truck to a level that is able to compete with what Ford basically brought out almost 10 years ago and it took Ford and Ram nearly 15 years to come up with an engine and transmission that would compete with the Duramax/Allison.
I feel that when Ford released the 5R110 and 6R140 transmissions, they had a solid offering that can compete with the Allison and Aisin - You don't hear about problems that used to show up in the 4R100. Ford had trouble with some of their engines, which really hurt their reputation. Evidently, I found a competent dealer that was able to warranty the work he did on mine. Not only did they fix it right the first time, but they jumped on the work quickly knowing we were heading out on a long trip fully loaded in few days.
When I was truck shopping last time, I felt the GM was under sprung for the tasks I required but at the same time was impressed with its ride comfort and quietness. I wish they still made a Class 5 I could compare to the competition this time around.Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
I've been doing my comparisons of the Class 5's from Ford and Ram. Although the trucks are neck and neck for what I want, I'm really struggling finding a Ram dealer in western WA that wants to work for a sale - They keep playing games instead of sending me the specifications and pricing for 2015 models.
Don't waste your time with these monkeys on this side of the mountain. Contact Dave Smith in Kellog, ID.
The Ram dealers haven't changed after 10 years. Dodge lost my business back then because dealers were only interested in wasting my time and more than one Ford dealer went out their of their way to make me a happy customer and they are still keeping me happy (my after sale support has been excellent). It's very tempting to make a run to ID or OR for a new truck. However, I would still be giving the local Ram dealers (who would not take the effort to make a sale) my service work, which just grates on me...
