2016 Ram short bed 6.7 diesel 2500 payload close to max

4x4ord wrote:
The 3500 SRW and 2500 are very similar trucks. The payload rating is limited on account of the 6000 lb rear axle rating that the 2500 gets vs the 7000 lb rating of the 3500. The axle rating is reduced on account of the spring rating. Put a set of air bags on your 2500 and it will handle your Grand Design better than the 3500 SRW with higher payload numbers.

Is this true with the 2016 Dodge? I know a lot of older trucks from all the brands, the only difference between 3/4 ton and 1 ton (single rear wheel version) is the spring pack, so upgrading the spring or providing some sort of help like airbags or jounce springs would effectively make it the same as a 1 ton.

But I thought the newer Dodge 3/4 ton switched to coil spring while the 1 ton still uses leaf springs...which makes me wonder what else they may have different.

It just so hard to buy the FW and THEN find out it does or doesn't do the job. I understand the 3500 is a leaf spring vs 2500 coil spring but ut seems like a gamble I may take. Thanks for the advice.

Back to the 2,100 lbs. pin weight you are referring to. The GD Reflection 337RLS lists a pin weight of 2,090 on the web site. That is EMPTY! Our 2016 Reflection 337RLS (same advertised specs as the new ones) was ALWAYS over 3,000 lbs. on the pin loaded - every time we crossed the CAT scales. Never use advertised pin weights - use 23% of the fifth wheel's GVWR to estimate a loaded pin weight. In the case of the Reflection 337RLS (GVWR 13,995), that would be around 3,200 lbs. (which we only got up to once and off-loaded some things to get closer to 3,100 lbs.).

Rob

renojack wrote:
I'm lost now. My door sticker says axle gaw front 6000 an rear 6500. Must I weigh the empty truck to get unladen weight?

You could, but it will be between 2500 and 3000 lbs empty on rear and 4500-5000 on front. Generally under 5k unladen on front.

BurbMan wrote:
Ok, so the OP has a short box diesel and the door jamb sticker says 2021 is its rated carrying capacity.

renojack wrote:
Tire sticker says 2021.

I have a 2015 Ram long box diesel 3500 and my sticker says 4292, for a difference of 2271 lbs. So you're saying that just adding air bags to a 2500 with DOUBLE its payload and make it the same as a 3500?

Yup, 10-4, roger that, over n out!
SAME truck save for (in Rams case) different type of springs and slightly different ( not lighter duty) frame/spring mount design. The other 2 mfgs its only spring rate and stickers that are different.
BTW, 7klbs on the rear of a srw HD pickup is also not stressing it out. Only now, the OE LT tires and rim ratings are nearing their weight rating limits. Yet a dually with greater spring rate and 2 more tires is good for around 10k on the rear. Same chassis, same brakes, drivetrain, etc.
folks will argue the nuances of a dually and now some come with even heavier axles than their srw brothers but duallies from the early 2000s/2010s used the same axles.

renojack wrote:
I'm lost now. My door sticker says axle gaw front 6000 an rear 6500. Must I weigh the empty truck to get unladen weight?

Yes, just the truck, get separate axle wts. Very little wt is added to front axle, when adding FW pin wt. You need to have truck full fuel, people gear, pay attn to rear axle, for example it weighs 3,000 lbs, now add 200lbs for hitch installed 3200 lbs. RAWR is 6,500 so you could add 3,300 more pin wt to rear axle. By adding air bags, or other suspension improvement, a bit more, but stay some under your tire rating.

Jerry

You can weigh your truck to get an accurate unladen weight if you like.... or go with an estimate if you think you have a pretty good idea of what it weighs. The 6500 lb rear axle weight rating is really a rear axle spring rating. To carry a heavier trailer, adding air bags will help. Your tires are likely rated for something like 3640 lbs each, so your rear axle with air bags could handle about 7280 lbs. The unladen rear axle weight of your truck is likely around 3500 lbs. So, if it were mine, I'd add air bags and be able to carry a 3500 lb pin weight without being concerned.

I'm lost now. My door sticker says axle gaw front 6000 an rear 6500. Must I weigh the empty truck to get unladen weight?

I'm lost now. My door sticker says axle gaw front 6000 an rear 6500. Must I weigh the emlty truck to get unladen weight?

BurbMan wrote:
Ok, so the OP has a short box diesel and the door jamb sticker says 2021 is its rated carrying capacity.

renojack wrote:
Tire sticker says 2021.

I have a 2015 Ram long box diesel 3500 and my sticker says 4292, for a difference of 2271 lbs. So you're saying that just adding air bags to a 2500 with DOUBLE its payload and make it the same as a 3500?

In terms of capability, yes.
In terms of legality, yes, but you would need to pay for a heavier registration weight and its PERFECTLY LEGAL.