2017 F-150HD or F-250?

harmanrk wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.

The Ecoboost will outperform both 6.2/6.4 plain and simple

Quickness, Towing power, unloaded fuel eff., yes. Towing Fuel eff. would be a toss up.

Payload, is would come up significantly short.

Throw the Diesels for those 250/2500's into the mix (And lets face it, price point that's where the HDPP comes in), and the 150 will come up short in most. Quickness, (60 -80 to pull out an make a pass) I don't think those who praise the Eco, have experienced unleashing 900+ torques. Unloaded fuel eff., is probably pretty close in normal driving, with the periodic regens of the filter pulling the diesels numbers down to give an advantage to the Eco, but loaded, the Eco is not even going to come close. As for payload, the 250 with the diesel, and the 150 HDPP are neck and neck (2300-2400).

One common item I keep seeing brought up is the unloaded ride quality. Yes, its subjective, but two truck with nearly equal payloads, are going to react very similar over bumps in the road.

The payload ratings are close on paper but if you look at axle ratings there's a pretty wide gap, and that's a lot more reflective of the diesel 250's actual payload capability. Ride quality will suffer accordingly on the 250 compared to the HDPP 150, but load carrying capability will be a lot better. I think the 250/SRW350 is a lot better value than any 150 these days in terms of what you get for the basically the same money.

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.

The Ecoboost will outperform both 6.2/6.4 plain and simple

Quickness, Towing power, unloaded fuel eff., yes. Towing Fuel eff. would be a toss up.

Payload, is would come up significantly short.

Throw the Diesels for those 250/2500's into the mix (And lets face it, price point that's where the HDPP comes in), and the 150 will come up short in most. Quickness, (60 -80 to pull out an make a pass) I don't think those who praise the Eco, have experienced unleashing 900+ torques. Unloaded fuel eff., is probably pretty close in normal driving, with the periodic regens of the filter pulling the diesels numbers down to give an advantage to the Eco, but loaded, the Eco is not even going to come close. As for payload, the 250 with the diesel, and the 150 HDPP are neck and neck (2300-2400).

One common item I keep seeing brought up is the unloaded ride quality. Yes, its subjective, but two truck with nearly equal payloads, are going to react very similar over bumps in the road.

As for the hitch capability, it was said the HDPP is good for a tongue weight of 1300 (I assume this is its WD rating) the 250 with the heavy tow package is good for 2100 (Both carrying and WD).

transamz9 wrote:
I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.

The Ecoboost will outperform both 6.2/6.4 plain and simple

I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.

Hammerboy wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

Groover wrote:
I would love to see one of the truck sites do a head to head comparison between your truck and a 250.

Same here...an Extreme Ike Gauntlet between a HDPP, Nissan HD, Gas 2500/F250 towing 11,500lbs.

The HDPP will out pull all of them, and will be in the ballpark when it comes to handling the load.

I know you love your truck and it is a great truck but the Ecoboost it isn't the obvious answer for everybody. For me personally I love driving my 2500 HD Duramax even when there isn't a trailer behind me so the ride is a non issue for me considering the benefits of a HD. My truck has a little under #2500 payload, about the same as a Eco 150 with the HDPP. But my truck WILL out pull and out handle a Eco 150. It weighs I'm guessing #2500 more so it's going to manhandle a trailer better - it just will. I used to have a Gm 6.0 gas and that truly was nails on a chalkboard pulling a trailer, I'm sure the Eco is a big improvement though

Bottom line is a gas 3/4 maybe slower but will have more payload or similar payload with a diesel and have monster towing power and better handling with either gas or diesel 3/4 ton.

Dan

Dan, I'm not a truck guy, and I don't really care much for trucks...I just needed one.

This truck is a pain in the rump to drive. It's big, long, bulky, gets in the teens MPG in the city, and it is just too cumbersome to me for anything except occasional personal use and towing. I like what it does, and it's the least compromise I can get to tow a heavy trailer.

And those big pig ears for mirrors are a pain when not towing.

It's a nice truck and it does what it is designed to do well, and that is why I like it. If it weren't for this truck, I'd be stuck with having to get a 3/4 ton, which it a much greater compromise than the HDPP.

And you are absolutely correct in that your HD diesel will out handle the HDPP towing a trailer, no doubt about that.

I was more curious about the difference in handling compared to a gass HD more so than the diesel. The HDPP will out pull any current gas HD within its ratings, but how much better will the gasser handle the heavy koad than the HDPP.

There have been questions as to why anyone would get the HDPP over a comparable equipped 3/4 to that has more capable handling.

It's all about what is considered a compromise to a person. That nice HD diesel of yours probably offers little compromise to you as a personal DD or a tow vehicle.

As a DD, the HDPP truck is nice "for a truck" and is very capable for towing within its ratings, but it is still a truck that I can get limited use out of it when not towing, but I wouldn't touch that larger, slower, and much more cumbersome diesel with a stick unless I have a trailer behind it.

demiles wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

TomG2 wrote:
To the OP: Why not go all the way and get a GM 2500HD? Plenty of capacity combined with great driveability for about the same money. 3,000 pound payload with the gas engine. Designed from the ground up to be a 3/4 ton, not a 1/2 with a few upgrades to raise the ratings.

My take on why some go the F150 HD route over the F250-2500 route is that the F150 HD provides all the payload they need, a better unloaded ride (Subjective) and definitely better DD MPG.
Agree for the same $$$ you can get an equal 250-2500. I've noticed that the F150 base price is creeping closer to the F250. The margin is so narrow that by the time you equip the F150 with the HD option it's neck and neck with the F250.
That means nothing really as it's all in what each owner demands, wants or needs of their truck.

The quickness!!...the 3.5 EB is much quicker than both gas and diesel HD trucks, especially when passing a jerk.

Keep in mind, most drivers go really slow when they think you are stuck behind them, but will accelerate the moment they see you trying to pass...you need quickness.

When they accelerate to keep me from passing, I will sprint in front of them, and go the speed they were going when I was behind them... The EcoBoost difference between me being frustrated and counting to ten, and them frustrated.

You got to have the power out there.

Ignorance is bliss

It's not their fault they don't know, but sometimes you have to open their eyes to another perspective.

No question is a bad question.

demiles wrote:

Maury82 wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

TomG2 wrote:
To the OP: Why not go all the way and get a GM 2500HD? Plenty of capacity combined with great driveability for about the same money. 3,000 pound payload with the gas engine. Designed from the ground up to be a 3/4 ton, not a 1/2 with a few upgrades to raise the ratings.

My take on why some go the F150 HD route over the F250-2500 route is that the F150 HD provides all the payload they need, a better unloaded ride (Subjective) and definitely better DD MPG.
Agree for the same $$$ you can get an equal 250-2500. I've noticed that the F150 base price is creeping closer to the F250. The margin is so narrow that by the time you equip the F150 with the HD option it's neck and neck with the F250.
That means nothing really as it's all in what each owner demands, wants or needs of their truck.

The quickness!!...the 3.5 EB is much quicker than both gas and diesel HD trucks, especially when passing a jerk.

Keep in mind, most drivers go really slow when they think you are stuck behind them, but will accelerate the moment they see you trying to pass...you need quickness.

When they accelerate to keep me from passing, I will sprint in front of them, and go the speed they were going when I was behind them... The EcoBoost difference between me being frustrated and counting to ten, and them frustrated.

You got to have the power out there.

Ignorance is bliss

The good news, you're probably still able to learn.

Maury82 wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

TomG2 wrote:
To the OP: Why not go all the way and get a GM 2500HD? Plenty of capacity combined with great driveability for about the same money. 3,000 pound payload with the gas engine. Designed from the ground up to be a 3/4 ton, not a 1/2 with a few upgrades to raise the ratings.

My take on why some go the F150 HD route over the F250-2500 route is that the F150 HD provides all the payload they need, a better unloaded ride (Subjective) and definitely better DD MPG.
Agree for the same $$$ you can get an equal 250-2500. I've noticed that the F150 base price is creeping closer to the F250. The margin is so narrow that by the time you equip the F150 with the HD option it's neck and neck with the F250.
That means nothing really as it's all in what each owner demands, wants or needs of their truck.

The quickness!!...the 3.5 EB is much quicker than both gas and diesel HD trucks, especially when passing a jerk.

Keep in mind, most drivers go really slow when they think you are stuck behind them, but will accelerate the moment they see you trying to pass...you need quickness.

When they accelerate to keep me from passing, I will sprint in front of them, and go the speed they were going when I was behind them... The EcoBoost difference between me being frustrated and counting to ten, and them frustrated.

You got to have the power out there.

Ignorance is bliss

Maury82 wrote:

Groover wrote:
I would love to see one of the truck sites do a head to head comparison between your truck and a 250.

Same here...an Extreme Ike Gauntlet between a HDPP, Nissan HD, Gas 2500/F250 towing 11,500lbs.

The HDPP will out pull all of them, and will be in the ballpark when it comes to handling the load.

I know you love your truck and it is a great truck but the Ecoboost it isn't the obvious answer for everybody. For me personally I love driving my 2500 HD Duramax even when there isn't a trailer behind me so the ride is a non issue for me considering the benefits of a HD. My truck has a little under #2500 payload, about the same as a Eco 150 with the HDPP. But my truck WILL out pull and out handle a Eco 150. It weighs I'm guessing #2500 more so it's going to manhandle a trailer better - it just will. I used to have a Gm 6.0 gas and that truly was nails on a chalkboard pulling a trailer, I'm sure the Eco is a big improvement though

Bottom line is a gas 3/4 maybe slower but will have more payload or similar payload with a diesel and have monster towing power and better handling with either gas or diesel 3/4 ton.

Dan

silverfz wrote:
How did you carry the dogs in the bed ?. I have a 90lb lab but with 2 kids we are struggling for space.

My next will be one of this i just did 700 miles on my tundra crewmax with 145k towing my 7300 lb loaded camper and it runs great. I hate smaller tank but other than that is just pulls. when i hit 200k i will add a F150HD .

I have an ARE MX series cap on the back. Lots of room for the dogs back there. I usually don't put anything but them and their beds in the bed.

Mike