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4x4ord wrote:
I tow an RV as well as haul all sorts of equipment or other "stuff" on a tandem dually gooseneck. Any 22000 lb RV will tow easier than the equipment they towed behind the 1 tons. When they are only travelling 45 mph and going up a steep incline with 30,000 lbs GCVW the wind resistance is a very small part of the equation. The wind and rolling resistance combined at 45 mph is not going to require over 80 hp to overcome where as 287 HP are required to lift a truck and trailer up an 8% grade at 45 mph excluding wind and rolling resistance. So a total rear wheel HP of 367 rear wheel HP would be required for an 8,000 lb truck to tow a 22000 lb rv up an 8% grade at 45 mph with only somewhere around 35 of that 367 Hp being used to overcome wind resistance. At 65 mph more like 90 Hp is required to overcome air resistance.
I don't think you are correct on this. I know from experience that my 2012 will not tow my 12,000 pound fifth wheel up Eisenhower (eastbound) and maintain the 60 MPH speed limit. My buddy has a 2013 or 2014 F350 that will not tow his 5er up at the speed limit either.
Seems to me that the tests I have seen FLT tow similar weights, they are able to maintain 60 MPH (or even accelerate). Wind resistance must play a significant role.blofgren wrote:
alexleblanc wrote:
Regardless of all this banter, I'm looking forward to towing my unit with the new F350, looks like I will have a comfy ride and power to spare.
Without a doubt! :B When are you due to get it?
On a side note I had a quick look at some new Rams while I was dropping my truck off for a service appointment last week and was amazed how many of them were into 6 figures Canadian MSRP... :E
It's on the train, I'm being told in the next week or so.alexleblanc wrote:
Regardless of all this banter, I'm looking forward to towing my unit with the new F350, looks like I will have a comfy ride and power to spare.
Without a doubt! :B When are you due to get it?
On a side note I had a quick look at some new Rams while I was dropping my truck off for a service appointment last week and was amazed how many of them were into 6 figures Canadian MSRP... :E- Regardless of all this banter, I'm looking forward to towing my unit with the new F350, looks like I will have a comfy ride and power to spare.
FishOnOne wrote:
blofgren wrote:
Threebigfords wrote:
I too like the new features, bigger cab, and chassis refinements on the new Superduties. While not a huge fan of the new body styling, I'm sure it will grow on me.
I am however a bit disappointed in the performance of these new rigs. I fully expected the aluminum bodies and increased torque to have some actual real world benefits that would be demonstrated in these types of challenges.
To see the 2017 F350 come up short in the Ike Gauntlet surprised me and made me that much happier I bought a 2015 F450 instead of waiting 6 months for the 2017's. And why did they lose the massive S130 rear axle for the 2017 F450's? Was it to save weight?
Is the torque management that much more aggressive in the new models? The 2015 F450 dominated the competition with less torque? What's up?
These questions are still rattling around in my head too. I fully expected the Ford to outperform the competition by a large margin.
I didn't know they discontinued the large rear end in the 2017 F-450. I would have thought Ford would have learned when they "neutered" the F-450 in 2011 and had customer kickback over it, and then beefing them back up in later models.
The 2017 F450 is anything but neutered and packs the highest towing capacity of any truck to date. Also the new rear ends are massive with a GAWR of 9,900 lbs.
GAWR of 9,900 lbs doesn't really matter when the GVWR of the truck is still 14,000 lbs, like my truck is. The GVWR of the truck is exceeded before GAWR.Me Again wrote:
2001400ex wrote:
Right. And supposedly the hitch is mounted closer to the wheels which allows for no WD.
Someone needs to retake physics 101. A WD hitch is designed to put some of the hitch weight on the front axle.
Where the 3" hitch is mounted does not matter, it is where the hitch ball is located, think distance from the rear axle verse wheel base.
Chris
This is what Ford says, Chevy says the same for their 2017. You can argue with them.
"Also, there are new 2.5-inch and 3-inch hitch receivers that increases weight-carrying hitch capacity. There is extensive use of high-strength steel in the hitch designs and surrounding structure. The platform extends under the truck frame to create a strong and secure foundation. This eliminates the need for a weight-distributing hitch when towing up to the maximum conventional trailer rating of the truck."
http://m.worktruckonline.com/article/253574/ford-s-all-new-2017-f-series-super-dutyblofgren wrote:
Threebigfords wrote:
I too like the new features, bigger cab, and chassis refinements on the new Superduties. While not a huge fan of the new body styling, I'm sure it will grow on me.
I am however a bit disappointed in the performance of these new rigs. I fully expected the aluminum bodies and increased torque to have some actual real world benefits that would be demonstrated in these types of challenges.
To see the 2017 F350 come up short in the Ike Gauntlet surprised me and made me that much happier I bought a 2015 F450 instead of waiting 6 months for the 2017's. And why did they lose the massive S130 rear axle for the 2017 F450's? Was it to save weight?
Is the torque management that much more aggressive in the new models? The 2015 F450 dominated the competition with less torque? What's up?
These questions are still rattling around in my head too. I fully expected the Ford to outperform the competition by a large margin.
I didn't know they discontinued the large rear end in the 2017 F-450. I would have thought Ford would have learned when they "neutered" the F-450 in 2011 and had customer kickback over it, and then beefing them back up in later models.
The 2017 F450 is anything but neutered and packs the highest towing capacity of any truck to date. Also the new rear ends are massive with a GAWR of 9,900 lbs.Threebigfords wrote:
I too like the new features, bigger cab, and chassis refinements on the new Superduties. While not a huge fan of the new body styling, I'm sure it will grow on me.
I am however a bit disappointed in the performance of these new rigs. I fully expected the aluminum bodies and increased torque to have some actual real world benefits that would be demonstrated in these types of challenges.
To see the 2017 F350 come up short in the Ike Gauntlet surprised me and made me that much happier I bought a 2015 F450 instead of waiting 6 months for the 2017's. And why did they lose the massive S130 rear axle for the 2017 F450's? Was it to save weight?
Is the torque management that much more aggressive in the new models? The 2015 F450 dominated the competition with less torque? What's up?
These questions are still rattling around in my head too. I fully expected the Ford to outperform the competition by a large margin.
I didn't know they discontinued the large rear end in the 2017 F-450. I would have thought Ford would have learned when they "neutered" the F-450 in 2011 and had customer kickback over it, and then beefing them back up in later models.2001400ex wrote:
Right. And supposedly the hitch is mounted closer to the wheels which allows for no WD.
Someone needs to retake physics 101. A WD hitch is designed to put some of the hitch weight on the front axle.
Where the 3" hitch is mounted does not matter, it is where the hitch ball is located, think distance from the rear axle verse wheel base.
Chris
