In the market for a new truck and I'm not brand loyal. I'm curious about the Ford and how it compares in reliability and fuel mileage with the other trucks. Right now I'm torn between Ram and Ford. Thanks!

You really need to drive them to see the difference.

Either one will be a good truck for you. Just a matter of which one you like better.

Another vote for "drive them both". Pretty early for any reliability reports on the 2017 Ford, as it's a new model. Probably not a bad choice between the two, so buy the one that you like the best, and that you get the best deal on. They're your dollars, so no one's opinion but yours really matters.

DakotaDad wrote:Another vote for "drive them both". Pretty early for any reliability reports on the 2017 Ford, as it's a new model. Probably not a bad choice between the two, so buy the one that you like the best, and that you get the best deal on. They're your dollars, so no one's opinion but yours really matters.I guess opinion is not what I'm really looking for, power and torque are not as important to me as gas mileage and reliability. I'm seeking actual truck owners who can provide inputs in those areas. I know 2017 trucks are new but their drive-trains has been around for a few years. The cummins B series, 6.7L engine has been around since 2007 and the powerstroke 6.7L, has been around since 2011. i know the PS will see some changes for 2017 but the engine series should shed some light to reliability issues.

The Ram should be cheaper to buy and based on what Ram owners tell me, the Cummins will do slightly better on fuel. The power train of all three are very reliable. I think it will be interesting what the new Duramax is going to achieve for fuel economy. How many miles do you expect to put on your truck in a year?

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4x4ord
Explorer III
Nov 15, 2016
transamz9 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
otrfun wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
. . . Just lift the hood on both trucks, that should help with the decision . . .
Agree, for those that may have plans to do any DIY maintenance, lifting the hoods on both trucks is a dramatic study in contrast.

Speaking of maintenance you forgot about the impossible location of the oil filter on the ram. The Ford on the other hand is right next to the oil pan like it should be.

ram oil filter mess

Ford Oil filter

Give me a break! Sure it's not as easy as the previous models but NO way is it hard at all! Certainly not as hard as cab removal!

I had a thread on TDR "EASY 2013 up oil change". How about posting a link for me of my thread???

I would never recommend removing the intake to the turbo to access the oil filter. Bad idea

I don't see where the problem is. I've probably had the turbo tubes off my Ford 6.0 more times than the oil filter has been changed and haven't had a turbo issue yet.

A bad idea is to design an engine that has to have the cab removed to do much to it. That's what you call opening a can of worms right there.

I think designing a truck that requires lifting the cab to do major work to the engine is a good idea so long as easy lifting of the cab is designed into the truck. There really is no reason why a truck couldn't be designed such that lifting the cab is less than a 20 minute job. With the cab out of the way any engine would be very accessible for major work..
Me_Again
Explorer III
Nov 15, 2016
FishOnOne wrote:

I would never recommend removing the intake to the turbo to access the oil filter. Bad idea

I did for 14 years on my 2001.5 RAM and am doing it on my 2015 RAM. Gives clear access from the top to change the filter. Lot easier that changing the filter on my two Cummins B150's in the boat for 19 years via the braille method.
transamz9
Explorer
Nov 15, 2016
FishOnOne wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
otrfun wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
. . . Just lift the hood on both trucks, that should help with the decision . . .
Agree, for those that may have plans to do any DIY maintenance, lifting the hoods on both trucks is a dramatic study in contrast.

Speaking of maintenance you forgot about the impossible location of the oil filter on the ram. The Ford on the other hand is right next to the oil pan like it should be.

ram oil filter mess

Ford Oil filter

Give me a break! Sure it's not as easy as the previous models but NO way is it hard at all! Certainly not as hard as cab removal!

I had a thread on TDR "EASY 2013 up oil change". How about posting a link for me of my thread???

I would never recommend removing the intake to the turbo to access the oil filter. Bad idea

I don't see where the problem is. I've probably had the turbo tubes off my Ford 6.0 more times than the oil filter has been changed and haven't had a turbo issue yet.

A bad idea is to design an engine that has to have the cab removed to do much to it. That's what you call opening a can of worms right there.
transamz9
Explorer
Nov 15, 2016
larry barnhart wrote:
Looks like the 2017 f-350 is the truck of the year if that means much.

chevman

I always thought it was funny how a truck could be crowned the truck of the year before the year even starts. LOL You would think that now would be when they are crowning the best truck of the year for 2016.

That's like saying "transamz9's NCAA basketball team of the year is... The Kentucky Wildcats" I mean we did beat a team last week by almost 100 points.
larry_barnhart
Explorer
Nov 15, 2016
Looks like the 2017 f-350 is the truck of the year if that means much.

chevman
FishOnOne
Nomad
Nov 15, 2016
FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
otrfun wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
. . . Just lift the hood on both trucks, that should help with the decision . . .
Agree, for those that may have plans to do any DIY maintenance, lifting the hoods on both trucks is a dramatic study in contrast.

Speaking of maintenance you forgot about the impossible location of the oil filter on the ram. The Ford on the other hand is right next to the oil pan like it should be.

ram oil filter mess

Ford Oil filter

Give me a break! Sure it's not as easy as the previous models but NO way is it hard at all! Certainly not as hard as cab removal!

I had a thread on TDR "EASY 2013 up oil change". How about posting a link for me of my thread???

I would never recommend removing the intake to the turbo to access the oil filter. Bad idea
FishOnOne
Nomad
Nov 15, 2016
Cummins12V98 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
otrfun wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
. . . Just lift the hood on both trucks, that should help with the decision . . .
Agree, for those that may have plans to do any DIY maintenance, lifting the hoods on both trucks is a dramatic study in contrast.

Speaking of maintenance you forgot about the impossible location of the oil filter on the ram. The Ford on the other hand is right next to the oil pan like it should be.

ram oil filter mess

Ford Oil filter

Give me a break! Sure it's not as easy as the previous models but NO way is it hard at all! Certainly not as hard as cab removal!

I had a thread on TDR "EASY 2013 up oil change". How about posting a link for me of my thread???
FishOnOne
Nomad
Nov 15, 2016
Cummins12V98 wrote:
IdaD wrote:
With one of those end cap oil filter wrenches on a ratchet changing a filter out on the current Cummins is cake. Once you get it loosened up you just drop it in a ziploc, seal it up and pull it through the hole. I have no idea where the myth came about that it's a difficult job.

Do you pre fill filter as recommended?

I do.....:B
Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Nov 15, 2016
IdaD wrote:
With one of those end cap oil filter wrenches on a ratchet changing a filter out on the current Cummins is cake. Once you get it loosened up you just drop it in a ziploc, seal it up and pull it through the hole. I have no idea where the myth came about that it's a difficult job.

Do you pre fill filter as recommended?
otrfun
Explorer II
Nov 14, 2016
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