2017 F350

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buc1980 wrote:
I don't understand why Ford beef up the truck and use 7 camera some for towing and they don't offer a 5th wheel preparation package on the 4x2.They got brake control in the truck but you can't use it because you don't have a hitch in the bed or the 7 pin plug.Ford engineering got to go back to school again.

I would hang tight... Sometimes with an all new design some options are limited to certain configurations until production is completely ramped up.

FishOnOne wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

Me Again wrote:
So will the turbo outlet tube/adapter still be the same plastic one that breaks? There is a thread going on the Heartland forum about people carrying a spare or replacing it with a aftermarket SS one. And the OP had a lot of oil on the turbo wheel, which others said is normal because crankcase vent is routed to intake. How often does the intercooler have to be removed and cleaned? Chris

Are we supposed to have to clean intercoolers? Must have missed it some where but I don't have your vast knowledge of the 6.7. Only have two 2015 f-350's running out of my shop both with well over 200K miles and not one of the problems you always talk about. Well, I guess you can keep making up reasons to bash a Ford. :R

Just ignore this guy... All he does is get threads locked.

Good gawd Fish! Your post is like the pot calling the kettle black. Just about every thread you get involved in gets shut down. And this one will be also......Tick, Tick.....

I don't understand why Ford beef up the truck and use 7 camera some for towing and they don't offer a 5th wheel preparation package on the 4x2.They got brake control in the truck but you can't use it because you don't have a hitch in the bed or the 7 pin plug.Ford engineering got to go back to school again.

Bird Freak wrote:

Me Again wrote:
So will the turbo outlet tube/adapter still be the same plastic one that breaks? There is a thread going on the Heartland forum about people carrying a spare or replacing it with a aftermarket SS one. And the OP had a lot of oil on the turbo wheel, which others said is normal because crankcase vent is routed to intake. How often does the intercooler have to be removed and cleaned? Chris

Are we supposed to have to clean intercoolers? Must have missed it some where but I don't have your vast knowledge of the 6.7. Only have two 2015 f-350's running out of my shop both with well over 200K miles and not one of the problems you always talk about. Well, I guess you can keep making up reasons to bash a Ford. :R

Just ignore this guy... All he does is get threads locked.

The last tow performance comparison of the '15 models had the F450 eating the ram 3500's lunch and then some. The F450 is a understated Beast!

There's no need to wait for the upcoming 2017 Super Duty to get the best pulling truck on the road today. But the 2017 will only increase the gap even more (Unless the new Duramax brings out a surprise).

Yours should be 11.5" I believe, and yes you are correct the Dana 80 hasn't been used by Ram or Chevy for quite awhile, I was using the 80 as a comparison since it has the same 11k rating. I should have been more clear on that.

So now that we agree that the rear axle is stronger in the F450, your saying that the Ford has a weak frame and weak springs then?

Just out of curiosity, what's the factory receiver hitch rated for on a 2015 Ram 3500 HD?

I know the 2.5" receiver on the F450 is rated for 19,000 lbs. Doesn't sound like a weak frame or springs to me. There were specific revisions to the F450 frame in 2015 that make the 40400 GCWR possible.

The limiting factor for Ford on the rear axle rating is that all these changes added curb weight. Thus lowering the RAWR since they wanted to stay under 14000 GVWR for obvious reasons, licensing, insurance, etc.

So in that respect, you are right, they would have raised them if they could, but staying under GVWR prevented it. Plan on seeing that same s130 Axle rating climb on the 2017 with the anticipated weight reduction of the aluminum body.

Threebigfords wrote:
You're right, it's not too hard to figure out, one look under the trucks at the rear axles and brakes and it's obvious which one is built to carry more weight.:R Can you seriously compare the Dana 80 in the Ram 3500 to the Dana S130 in the F450?? Ones rated for 11k from the manufacturer, the other for 16k. Seems like pretty simple math to me.

This has been discussed to death. The only reason the RAWR is lower is due to Ford's desire to stay under the 14,000 GVWR.

So you can continue to ignore the higher GCVW ratings, the higher 5th wheel tow ratings, better brakes, better turning radius better HP,larger cab, better tow mirrors etc. if you like, but the big dog on the block is currently the F450, and for 2017 expect the gap to widen with the weight loss the superduties are receiving.

I do agree on the airbag issue, it would be nice if Ford offered a factory air ride similar to a Kelderman setup, or even the Ram's optional self leveling system. I too put bags on my F450 right out of the gate, as I do with all my trucks.

I will say however that for how I use my truck, the lower rear ride height helps considerably in getting tools in and out.

The axle is not what supports the weight to some degree. It's the frame and springs. Obviously Ford can't rate the rear axle for more than 9,100# or they sure would.

I think you keep comparing the 3rd gen RAM's because RAM has NOT used Dana axles in their 2500/3500 trucks since 2002. Mine is a AmericanAxle 11.8" ring gear I believe.

Bottom line is the RAM Dually 3500's are a 4500 with a 3500 badge. Look at the front suspension on the 3500 and 450 they are VERY similar. The rear is beefier on the 3500 minus the gear set.

I am sure the F series trucks will out do the RAM line for 2017 then it will be RAM and GM's turn to upgrade.

You're right, it's not too hard to figure out, one look under the trucks at the rear axles and brakes and it's obvious which one is built to carry more weight.:R Can you seriously compare the Dana 80 in the Ram 3500 to the Dana S130 in the F450?? Ones rated for 11k from the manufacturer, the other for 16k. Seems like pretty simple math to me.

This has been discussed to death. The only reason the RAWR is lower is due to Ford's desire to stay under the 14,000 GVWR.

So you can continue to ignore the higher GCVW ratings, the higher 5th wheel tow ratings, better brakes, better turning radius better HP,larger cab, better tow mirrors etc. if you like, but the big dog on the block is currently the F450, and for 2017 expect the gap to widen with the weight loss the superduties are receiving.

I do agree on the airbag issue, it would be nice if Ford offered a factory air ride similar to a Kelderman setup, or even the Ram's optional self leveling system. I too put bags on my F450 right out of the gate, as I do with all my trucks.

I will say however that for how I use my truck, the lower rear ride height helps considerably in getting tools in and out.

"At least us Ford guys get a decent sized cab with our LONG BED trucks. To get a few more inches in your rear seat you Dodge Megacab boys have to give up the option to have a real 8ft truck bed.

Talk about little...the regular quad cab that comes on a Dodge with an 8ft bed...keeps me and a lot of other contractors from even considering the brand.

The other main reason I passed on considering the Dodge was that to get the max rated towing in the Dodge, I had to drive a 2wd reg cab dually! Really??

I'll take my max tow rating in a fully loaded F450 crew cab long bed 4x4. Only comes one way....easy to figure out...one and done.

Don't even get me started on the turning radius...no comparison with the wide track front axle...made the Dodge feel like my old 7.3 CCLB compared to the F350 and F450 duallies with the wide track.

In my opinion they should add some wider rear fender flares and axles on the SRW trucks and make that wide track standard on all Superduties."
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Give me a break! The inside dimensions on any of the big three crew cabs are not enough different to even mention. Are you talking 3rd ben RAM's????

Too hard to figure what a 3500 RAM Dually with Aisin and 4.10's can tow???? I guess you did not notice the RAM has a MUCH higher rear axle carrying capacity than the 450????

My RAWR is 9,750# yours is 9,100#. None of this is really too hard to figure out. Just an FYI every F450 that came to the DRV factory with a F450 had air bags. One guy even had Fox Shocks with bags and said he was looking into Fox Quad shocks because the bouncing going down the road was killing him.

I am at my RAWR + 130# and my combined is 32,950#. Pretty simple to see who can tow the heaviest 5er within their SAE ratings. I have a SB clutch and pressure plate in my tool box that will be removed so at that point I will be at my max on the rear axle. ONLY way to tow more weight is to tow a gooseneck trailer since they usually have about 15 percent pin weight. Actually more weight can be towed with a triple axle 5er they are closer to 20 on the pin.

First pic 2011 NO bags with 4,500# pin second pic 2015 MAX RAWR factory bags.

Maybe you should have spent a couple minutes figuring out the simple weight charts. read the bottom line. That is for a 3500 4x4 DRW with Aisin and 4.10's.