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- They definitely went all out with the weight. As far as I can tell the last gasser test they did was 11K lbs.
16K is a big trailer for a gas truck at that elevation.
I'm not surprised it slowed down as much as it did at the top. Especially since it refused to downshift...they said it held the gear all the way down to 2000rpm. The 6.6 is a little bigger than the 6.0, but the torque peak is still at 4000rpm.
I'll be curious to see how the old 6.4 Hemi with the new 8speed does with that kind of weight. Probably not well. Defiantly looking forward to the new Ford 7.3 test as well. - When I traded up from my 2003 GMC 6.0L w/4 speed and 3:73 RE, 210k miles, I was looking for the 6.0L again and the 3:73 ... in 2015, no luck, only 4:10. Altho, I surely believe now after hauling my TC the 6 speed and 4:10 is a much better rig.
If I had that choice over, I'd pick the 4:10 as it hauls much better, AND I still get as good gas mileage as did the 3:73. Of course, the engineering is different, but that newer set up is nice. Got 53k on this one, no issues, and hope to get that many miles out of it again.
Was at one point thinking 2020 new, but changed my mind after last trip, and will stick with this one awhile longer. Plus, just put new shoes on it :) Grit dog wrote:
Weird....this turned into a gas v diesel debate, whoda thunk it?
If the General even halfway thought 6 speed and 3.73s was the best way to show off their new big boy gasser tow pig then whoever decided that should be fired.
Back to your regularly scheduled banter.....
I am not sure why the 3.73s. The rest of the Gas 3/4 ton and up GM trucks from 2014 until 2019 have 4.10's. Mine does.- Weird....this turned into a gas v diesel debate, whoda thunk it?
If the General even halfway thought 6 speed and 3.73s was the best way to show off their new big boy gasser tow pig then whoever decided that should be fired.
Back to your regularly scheduled banter..... - 16000 lbs is not a gas engine load. not what I would like.
chevman - Just gear down. no problem. 5,000 rpm is music to my ears.
I’m excited about these new gas trucks. A lot of clubs and stuff mentioned about diesel and gas. At the end of the day, buy what works for you and your family.
I don’t really care what anyone else thinks about my decisions.
Boring, reliable, and beautiful. Drama free gas motors.
Thanks and JMHO
Jeremiah - This picture will change when they compare to Ford's new combo and rams 8 spd with 4.10 gears. I'm surprised it did that well with a 6spd and 3.73 gears. GM messed up big time. Poor initial launch.
Lantley wrote:
That's BS, when you're towing 10% of time and commuting 90% of the time, "those other factors" are very pertinent. You need an adequate tow vehicle but you also need a very good commuter vehicle.
The advice and info you will gain on this site applies strictly to towing. Those other factors are not pertinent when it comes to the tow vehicle discussion.wowens79 wrote:
My biggest concern going diesel is with all the Emmisions **** on them, and the cost to repair it. I know some have no probs, but you read stories all the time of CP4 fuel pump grenading and costing $10k to repair, or $5k Emmisions repairs.
I keep trucks well past warranty, my current truck I've had for 17 years, and 235k miles, and I've had 2 engine repairs. A fuel pump at 195k miles, and at 210k I had new rear main seal, oil cooler lines, valve cover gaskets etc replace because it was dripping oil all over the driveway. Total engine repairs over 17 years is less than $2500.
I'm debating new trucks now, and diesel vs gas is part of the debate. There is no denying that the diesel is a beast towing, but I'm only towing 8000k lbs, and I'm in the southeast, so we've got little hills compared the out west. After 15-20 years resale is not real a huge concern.
I believe the CP4 problem and warranty denial was a Ford problem. GM and RAM seem to have far fewer problems. If you are stuck in the Ford camp then I guess you get what you deserve.ib516 wrote:
When I ditched diesel and bought a 6.4L Hemi, cost was only one thing I considered. The reliability of diesels at the time was suspect (2013 ish), and the DPF/DEF issue was something I didn't want to deal with. Most around here with trucks of that vintage have removed the emissions junk now as they tend to be troublesome when mileage creeps up, and since we don't have mandatory emissions testing.
I had about a 10 mile commute at the time, and neither of my diesels ever got to operating temp in 10 miles at -25 to -30*C or colder, even when the grill was completely blocked and they had been plugged in, inside a garage before starting. I froze every day driving to work. My use case would have killed a DPF equipped truck.
I also only towed (actually had the trailer behind the truck) for 5-7 days a YEAR. Yes, we took 3 week vacations, but that was usually 2-3 days total towing. Some trips were less than a day.
The 6.4L Hemi towed my 12k 5er with no issue at all. The mpg was about 30% less than the diesel it replaced, but unleaded is, and was cheaper than diesel fuel where I live (Canada).
The premium for a diesel over a gas truck in Canada is closer to 12K, not 9K.
I was very happy with the big gasser I had.
Now, if towing performance is the only data point you look at to compare trucks, the diesel will win every time, as they out perform the gassers when it comes to towing power. That is a fact. For me though, that was NOT the primary consideration. I was evaluating the truck based on the other 360 days of the year when I used it for personal use, and for that, the gasser won hands down.
These are all valid points as to why one would consider a gas truck over a diesel. I agree that there are many things to consider when buying a tow vehicle and everyone has different circumstances. However, it is still plain false that a diesel costs ten to fifteen thousand more in the long run when all things are considers as was previously stated.
If one actually does the math, the difference is very minimal and I would wager that it is greater than the the total cost difference a 6.4L owner paid over a 5.7L HD owner. To your point looking at the big picture, you can't just look at upfront cost(like non diesel owners do) when calculating total cost. Most "assume" that it will cost them more for a diesel even though they don't even tow, but the they have never actually done the numbers to verify.
To a diesel owners point, you are basically getting added performance and more capability for free or next to nothing over the ownership of the vehicle. That is something you can't do with higher performance engine options in light duty pickups or sports cars because nine times out of ten the higher performance engine uses considerably more fuel making the cost higher in the long run. Heck even if it cost you an extra $1,000 over the course of 100k miles, that is less that what a 6.4L owners paid over the 5.7L and you are getting a lot more performance from the diesel than a 6.4L owner does over a 5.7L.
