Forum Discussion
VernDiesel
Jun 13, 2019Explorer
13k tow rating on any 1/2 ton platform is stupid & only invites problems from the uninformed. Now Ram is being stupid as Ford. 8k is a reasonable max for a TT for a 1/2 platform axles & suspension assuming you have an appropriate power plant, gearing, (now pretty much assured with 8 & 10 speeds) & WDH.
With conservative tow tune my ED converts to about 268HP 465TQ and has the 3.92. Well I transport TTs & boats commercially with it mostly 5 to 8k. It has plenty of torque & gearing to get it moving from a stop to say 55 in short order. It also has enough low end torque to make it very efficient & comfortable on the flats at 65 mph. But a 6 percent grade will pull it down to 55 mph sometimes flat on the floor.
Once you have sufficient torque to move the load you need/want more horsepower with it to move it faster. Unlike torque I’m not sure there is horsepower overkill or unusable horsepower. I mean certainly there can be more horsepower than you need but more than it makes (at 268) would be useable & welcome when pulling a long 6 percent interstate grade.
To my point for mine and many users towing application if 465TQ is comfortably enough with its gearing to get the load moving and 268HP leaves me wishing I had a little more horsepower on the interstate grades.. well I would rather have kept the only 465 TQ and saw 300 HP instead of 260. I’m sure emissions & fuel economy have a lot to do with this.
All that said it will be a really nice truck crazy efficient seeing 30 mpg Hwy unloaded. Main thing is that they have corrected the bearing failures issue and with J2807 apparently they solved the cooling issue. I’ll trade the zero or hero for dead reliable any day. As some here know I believe me not catching low coolant soon enough led to mine pushing a head gasket at 371k. Truck has put on another 200k since then for 571,000 on the odometer.
With conservative tow tune my ED converts to about 268HP 465TQ and has the 3.92. Well I transport TTs & boats commercially with it mostly 5 to 8k. It has plenty of torque & gearing to get it moving from a stop to say 55 in short order. It also has enough low end torque to make it very efficient & comfortable on the flats at 65 mph. But a 6 percent grade will pull it down to 55 mph sometimes flat on the floor.
Once you have sufficient torque to move the load you need/want more horsepower with it to move it faster. Unlike torque I’m not sure there is horsepower overkill or unusable horsepower. I mean certainly there can be more horsepower than you need but more than it makes (at 268) would be useable & welcome when pulling a long 6 percent interstate grade.
To my point for mine and many users towing application if 465TQ is comfortably enough with its gearing to get the load moving and 268HP leaves me wishing I had a little more horsepower on the interstate grades.. well I would rather have kept the only 465 TQ and saw 300 HP instead of 260. I’m sure emissions & fuel economy have a lot to do with this.
All that said it will be a really nice truck crazy efficient seeing 30 mpg Hwy unloaded. Main thing is that they have corrected the bearing failures issue and with J2807 apparently they solved the cooling issue. I’ll trade the zero or hero for dead reliable any day. As some here know I believe me not catching low coolant soon enough led to mine pushing a head gasket at 371k. Truck has put on another 200k since then for 571,000 on the odometer.
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