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4x4ord wrote:
How many km?
Still has under 50k because it's primarily a trailer tower. 75-80% of that mileage has been towing.
Even if it had 150k I wouldn't be worried about it's reliability. I am high on maintenance to keep my vehicles in tip top shape.- How many km?
4x4ord wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Most of us on this forum know that the Powwrstroke is a better engine than the Cummins so our opinions are not affected by advertising."
HUH???
I think he mis spelled it. He meant Cummings! Lol
I've just been stirring the pot a bit but I did take a rather interesting survey of sorts this morning. I went on a searchable classified ads website (Kijiji) and searched "new engine" under cars and trucks for Alberta. Then I hit the filter and selected diesel and got results. I further filtered the results by screening for 2010 - 2016 and got zero. So I did a new search to include '04 through '09. Here's what I got:
6 Fords with new engines installed at between 166,000 km and 215,000 km, There were a couple additional Fords advertising recent engine work.
The surprising thing was there were 5 Rams came up with new engines. Engines were replaced at between 130,000 km and 373,000 km with the others around 300,000 km
There were only 2 Duramax equipped trucks that came up.
One engine was replaced at 160,000 km and 265,000 on the other.
Probably less Duramax equipped trucks are sold is some of it but I was amazed reading through these ads at the amount of mechanical work that gets put into these trucks when they get some years on them. I think I'll continue to keep my truck new.
I'm not too worried; I'll keep gambling with my 2013. :CGrit dog wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Most of us on this forum know that the Powwrstroke is a better engine than the Cummins so our opinions are not affected by advertising."
HUH???
I think he mis spelled it. He meant Cummings! Lol
I've just been stirring the pot a bit but I did take a rather interesting survey of sorts this morning. I went on a searchable classified ads website (Kijiji) and searched "new engine" under cars and trucks for Alberta. Then I hit the filter and selected diesel and got results. I further filtered the results by screening for 2010 - 2016 and got zero. So I did a new search to include '04 through '09. Here's what I got:
6 Fords with new engines installed at between 166,000 km and 215,000 km, There were a couple additional Fords advertising recent engine work.
The surprising thing was there were 5 Rams came up with new engines. Engines were replaced at between 130,000 km and 373,000 km with the others around 300,000 km
There were only 2 Duramax equipped trucks that came up.
One engine was replaced at 160,000 km and 265,000 on the other.
Probably less Duramax equipped trucks are sold is some of it but I was amazed reading through these ads at the amount of mechanical work that gets put into these trucks when they get some years on them. I think I'll continue to keep my truck new.blofgren wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Most of us on this forum know that the Powwrstroke is a better engine than the Cummins so our opinions are not affected by advertising."
HUH???
LOL, better in what way? Because it makes it to the top of the hill faster?
I have said many times that I will happily climb hills a bit slower in my Cummins knowing it will do it reliably thousands of times over for many years to come. I certainly can't say the same about my last truck which was a Ford.
But when you're trading trucks every couple of years, buy whatever one fits your rear best and call it a day.
For those that put a tremendous number of miles on their truck the long term reliability becomes an issue but even if I planned to keep my truck for 20 years I would only put about 500,000 km on it. I’m sure even the Cummins would last me.:)Bedlam wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Yeah OK... Everyone who participates on this particular forum is a fan to some extent including the ones who claim there not which we know they are the real straight shooters. :R
Because we know...
You're making me thirsty...
Looks good! I'll need to find some the next time we're in the US! :BCummins12V98 wrote:
"Most of us on this forum know that the Powwrstroke is a better engine than the Cummins so our opinions are not affected by advertising."
HUH???
LOL, better in what way? Because it makes it to the top of the hill faster?
I have said many times that I will happily climb hills a bit slower in my Cummins knowing it will do it reliably thousands of times over for many years to come. I certainly can't say the same about my last truck which was a Ford.
But when you're trading trucks every couple of years, buy whatever one fits your rear best and call it a day.FishOnOne wrote:
Yeah OK... Everyone who participates on this particular forum is a fan to some extent including the ones who claim there not which we know they are the real straight shooters. :R
Because we know...
You're making me thirsty...- I agree with much of what you’re saying and another thing about advertised power numbers; even though they may not be sustainable they are what keep the manufacturers striving to keep up with each other. There is no doubt in my mind that the 2021 6.7 Ford will perform much better than my 2011 did and the 2021 Ram will perform much better than the 2011 Ram did.
4x4ord wrote:
^^^^ Forget the ratings for a minute and just recognize that an 8 mile run up a steep hill puts the truck at sustained power very quickly. Cummins is often the engine that performs worst in these real world tests. Then there is the exhaust brake issue .....Cummins has the strongest exhaust brake but with only 3 gears to choose from there is only 3 speeds at which it will hold back its maximum force. (2nd third and forth) The competition can choose from more like 6 different speeds. (2nd through 7th). People who understands gearing and pull heavy loads know how important this is.
Yes, and this is most recently. Same could not be said a year ago. I have no doubts Ram will step up transmissions just like the did with the gas HD's which was and is sorely needed with the diesel trucks. Transmissions is always where Ram has been lacking in my book, and I stated before that Ford has the best one.
However, gears are not what we are discussing. Sustained horsepower ratings versus short burst horsepower ratings is. If you want to talk how gearing makes the Powerstroke better then that is another subject, but you didn't say that. You stated that the Powerstroke itself is better due to its ratings which apparently only apply to pickup versions and not cab in chassis versions since the Cummins in those trucks have more horsepower due to it being more of a sustained number. All I am arguing is that short burst power numbers doesn't make one engine better in a towing application, sustained power numbers do.
Take my truck for instance. The fact that it can make over 500 hp at the wheels unloaded means nothing when towing because it can't sustain that power level for long under heavy loads and I would have to back down my power level myself similar to what the computer does in the stock trucks. When towing, I am more concerned about the power level I can sustain which is why I don't run my 500 rwhp tune when towing. The heavier I tow and hotter the outside temps, the lower power level I will select to keep engine temps within safe ranges. Again, same as what the computer does in stock trucks.
