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- ^ I totally agree with your assessment of the present and future of vehicles. And maybe Yoda won't lose any sales. And they're the second ones to the table with a V8 killer turboed 6, beating the other mfgs to the punch if you don't count the little chevy motor.
But just because it's the future, doesn't mean it's the present and I'd wager a fair sum tht there are still more V8 1/2 tons sold than small turbo engines.
Keep it as an option is all I'm saying. - Would going to the V6 have anything to do with CAFE targets? 1/2 ton trucks are included CAFE targets.
RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
I'm scared!
However, not nearly as scary as the current Chevy HD trucks, which I have deemed the ugliest truck ever produced (I'm working on award for the styling team as we speak :W)
X2Grit Dog wrote:
Yes good points for sure. I still don’t think as a top mfg, I’d kick the “traditional” “big V8” to the curb and only offer 1 “big engine”. If nothing else, even if 99% of the private buyers prefer a more complicated twin turbo V6 (which I don’t think is likely), you are certainly limiting your commercial sales where the “newest and bestest” ( read, more expensive and potentially not as proven) doesn’t win sales.
In 25 years in an industry that buys ALOT of pickup trucks, that industry decidedly does not buy near as many Ecoboost and Turbodiesel trucks as they do good old fashioned old tech, NA V8s.
I think Ford, and now Toyota, sees the writing on the wall in that as internal combustions slowly begin to sunset, direct injected turbo gas engines are replacing more cubic inches as a means to get maximum power and efficiency and lower emissions. Look at Ford's latest hot offerings, the Ranger and Bronco. Any engine type you want as long as it's direct injected with a turbocharger. The Ecoboost in the F150 kicks the snot out of the Coyote V8 in emperical testing and I think Ford sells a lot more of the little boosted V6s than the V8. Even Chrysler is getting on board with that 2.0 turbo in the Jeep line which seems to be a better performing engine than the Pentastar V6. The only code that the small, boosted DI motor hasn't seemed to crack yet is the higher duty cycle HD world, but they are trying like hell, with the Eco V6 now being offered in all models of the Ford Transit. We haven't seen these motors in HD pickups yet, but you know that we will. We just don't have to like it.... ;)- Power wise it'll likely blow the 5.7 out of the water at ANY rpm. Big question is would it match Toyota V8s for reliability? Well, they're confident enough to put it into the new Land Cruiser, whose reputation is built on 300 - 500k mile life.
Reliability is one of the few (if not only) reason why any one would buy a Tundra in 2020 / 2021. Other than that the domestics are better in almost every other way. rjstractor wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Rumor is Toyota is ditching the V8's and installing a 3.5 twin turbo and perhaps a hybrid configuration.
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That’s ballsy, IMO.
I mean, a lot of people like the Ecoboost and it’s definitely a great option, but there are way more “big V8s” sold every year and I think it will hurt tundra sales if the only big engine is a high rpm rice grinder motor. Heck, their 5.7 is powerful and dependable. I’d be slow to take that option off the table
If the Toyota V6 is anything like the Ecoboost it's not going need to spin high rpms. The Ecoboost makes its peak torque at a much lower rpm than the 5.0, and I expect Toyota's motor will be the same way.
Yes good points for sure. I still don’t think as a top mfg, I’d kick the “traditional” “big V8” to the curb and only offer 1 “big engine”. If nothing else, even if 99% of the private buyers prefer a more complicated twin turbo V6 (which I don’t think is likely), you are certainly limiting your commercial sales where the “newest and bestest” ( read, more expensive and potentially not as proven) doesn’t win sales.
In 25 years in an industry that buys ALOT of pickup trucks, that industry decidedly does not buy near as many Ecoboost and Turbodiesel trucks as they do good old fashioned old tech, NA V8s.- You would think Toyota would have turbocharged their 4.0 V6 that they use in the Tacoma now.
- I used a 3.5 EcoBoost V6 F150 company truck - I liked it.
I figured a V10 EcoBoost version would be a nice tow motor for RV’n.
A 7.3 EcoBoost on gasohol would work too. Grit dog wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Rumor is Toyota is ditching the V8's and installing a 3.5 twin turbo and perhaps a hybrid configuration.
Link
That’s ballsy, IMO.
I mean, a lot of people like the Ecoboost and it’s definitely a great option, but there are way more “big V8s” sold every year and I think it will hurt tundra sales if the only big engine is a high rpm rice grinder motor. Heck, their 5.7 is powerful and dependable. I’d be slow to take that option off the table
If the Toyota V6 is anything like the Ecoboost it's not going need to spin high rpms. The Ecoboost makes its peak torque at a much lower rpm than the 5.0, and I expect Toyota's motor will be the same way.
