28,500 lbs Ford vs Ram 1 ton DRW

Huntindog wrote:

That is all is a whole lot.
Without the "witness" A manufacturer can bend some rules.... Oh my, that would never happen.

As Ford said. "The customer will get what WE rate"

Then of course they go on to get spanked repeatadly'

You can believe whatever you want.

If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck.... It's a duck

I think you have mistaken me for a fanboy that cares about getting "spanked repeatedly" as if I care what stock power numbers are. As I have stated here, I bought my Cummins for its reliability knowing that I can tune it afterwards to the power levels I want which as it sits right now my 2014 is about 513 hp at the wheels on level 4.

I am just stating what I now how it works when I worked for Cummins. In order for an engine make to say are J1349 or J1995 they have to follow the guidelines of those certifications or it is false advertising. Anyone on the street can easily do a stock dyno pull and adjust for parasitic loss to tell if the power ratings are true are not.

The only reason why SAE came up with the new J2723 requiring a witness was so that they can get money from the manufacturers which in turn makes our vehicles a little more expensive. Manufacturers do the exact same thing to oil producers requiring to pay for the testing to meet their oil tandards. This does not mean that most oils won't meet that standard, it just means that only companies that fork over the cash to have it tested will be able to advertise it and say they do.