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Jan 22, 2020

4 season camping

Helping my daughter look for a trailer. Looking for a true 4 season unit. We went to the RV show last weekend in Tacoma, and she is impressed with the Arctic Fox and Outdoors RV. Intended use will be the Washington Coast in the winter, and also at the local ski areas, in addition to the usual better weather camping. She can buy new, but I have suggested she look for a used unit. The 2020 Arctic Fox 25W is her current favorite. Whatever she ends up with, she would like to keep the overall under 30 ft. Can you folks suggest any other brands or lines to check out?

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  • Huntindog's avatar
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    River-Runner wrote:
    If getting away from hookups, better also figure on having some pretty strong battery power to drive a furnace fan all night long in 20 degree weather. Recharging for the second day via generator will most likely leave you short for furnace on night two. Solar in Washington isn't going to do you a lot of good many days. Doable, but will require some planning.


    I take a opposite approach.

    When cold weather camping, I run the generator when the power is needed.... At night. In the morning, my batteries are fully charged, and easily handle the daytime power draw.
    Unless the temps are cloder than 20. In that case, it usually means daytime temps never get above freezing. In that case the generator is run non stop. I have equipped my TT with a severe cold weather package which includes heat tape and insulation on all waterlines. And this requires AC to work. My TT should have riunning water at -45f.. We haven't been that cold, but have to -12f a few times with no issues.
    We do go thru a lot of fuel though.

    Camping these temps is not for casual campers. There will be no sitting around outside having a beer (it would freeze anyway) rather it is more like survival mode. The TT is a warm functional residence to get out of the cold for a while to recharge for the next outdoor excursion. The great thing is that there are never any neighbors to be concerned about... Any other campers around are doing the exact same thing.
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    If getting away from hookups, better also figure on having some pretty strong battery power to drive a furnace fan all night long in 20 degree weather. Recharging for the second day via generator will most likely leave you short for furnace on night two. Solar in Washington isn't going to do you a lot of good many days. Doable, but will require some planning.
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    Edd505 wrote:
    Why would you take an RV up in the passes to ski? Its a couple hr drive from the coast, rent a room at the resort or in the area when you want to spend the weekend. Way safer that taking an RV into the mountains in the winter for a weekend.


    Been doing it with kids and grandkids for years. Head up Friday night, grab some tracks early Saturday, teach all day, grab some some tracks early Sunday and head home. Also good for checking out areas that were farther away. Always had chains, never needed them.
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    noteven wrote:
    I have a 30ft Roughneck Travel trailer that functions fine at -35F. I wouldn’t call it “4 Season” because it doesn’t have woo hoo stickers proclaiming 4 season. It uses 4 gal propane per day in those conditions. It prefers a supply of 110v ac power for the 2 x 40,000btu rv turbofan furnaces.
    It wouldn’t be that handy getting to the ski hill cause it weighs 9000lbs dry. But it will keep you warm.


    More than what her truck can safely haul, and a bit bigger than she is looking for, but the way that the one floorplan is set up like an office would fit her needs in about 5 years. Thanks, I had never heard of these before.
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    TurnThePage wrote:
    If price is not a concern, and since you're in the northwest, you may want to check out Bigfoot. I think they are a step above the others mentioned. I finally got to look at one first hand last week. VERY well built and stout. And very ready for extreme weather.


    I sent her the link, thanks.
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    noteven wrote:
    Escape trailers Chilliwack BC - 4 NW season capable. (going to rain, light rain, wet rain, wet snow).
    Talked to an owner last week. They had used theirs which was spec’d for cold weather at -10F no freezes.


    Good looking unit, however she is looking for something a bit bigger. Of course that may change.
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    Freeway Flyer 05 wrote:
    Thanks all, a cabin is not for her, she is going places that aren't developed, for surfing, and ski areas that don't have hookups. Will check out the additional units mentioned.
    The no hookups will be another challenge. Need a way to carry extra generator fuel and propane.
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    Why would you take an RV up in the passes to ski? Its a couple hr drive from the coast, rent a room at the resort or in the area when you want to spend the weekend. Way safer that taking an RV into the mountains in the winter for a weekend.
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    Blazing Zippers wrote:
    We own a Outdoor trailer and have had pretty good luck with it. It's easy to heat and cool, tows very well, and is heck for stout. We've been in the low 20's and as hot as 100 degrees, and all was easy. Now, as with any trailer---there will be issues here and there, but we've encountered way less problems with ours than other brands.
    Take a trip to their factory in Le Grande (both AF and Outdoor are made there). If that's out of the question, youtube has several videos by Adventurous Ways during their factory tours.
    I don't work for them, but have been through several trailers and pulled thousands of miles.


    I have been far colder and hotter than that in Arizona.
    Most any TT will do OK at the mild temps you describe.

    My present TT had running water down to about 7 degrees, with day time temps never getting above freezing. 115 is pretty common in Phoenix.

    My previous TT with exposed tanks was good into the teens many times. The only issue was the dunp valves froze. Simply waited till We got warmer temps to dump.
    Had I expected those temps with that TT, I would have put some antifreeze in them to lower the freeze point a few degrees.
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    We own a Outdoor trailer and have had pretty good luck with it. It's easy to heat and cool, tows very well, and is heck for stout. We've been in the low 20's and as hot as 100 degrees, and all was easy. Now, as with any trailer---there will be issues here and there, but we've encountered way less problems with ours than other brands.
    Take a trip to their factory in Le Grande (both AF and Outdoor are made there). If that's out of the question, youtube has several videos by Adventurous Ways during their factory tours.
    I don't work for them, but have been through several trailers and pulled thousands of miles.

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River-Runner wrote:
If getting away from hookups, better also figure on having some pretty strong battery power to drive a furnace fan all night long in 20 degree weather. Recharging for the second day via generator will most likely leave you short for furnace on night two. Solar in Washington isn't going to do you a lot of good many days. Doable, but will require some planning.


I take a opposite approach.

When cold weather camping, I run the generator when the power is needed.... At night. In the morning, my batteries are fully charged, and easily handle the daytime power draw.
Unless the temps are cloder than 20. In that case, it usually means daytime temps never get above freezing. In that case the generator is run non stop. I have equipped my TT with a severe cold weather package which includes heat tape and insulation on all waterlines. And this requires AC to work. My TT should have riunning water at -45f.. We haven't been that cold, but have to -12f a few times with no issues.
We do go thru a lot of fuel though.

Camping these temps is not for casual campers. There will be no sitting around outside having a beer (it would freeze anyway) rather it is more like survival mode. The TT is a warm functional residence to get out of the cold for a while to recharge for the next outdoor excursion. The great thing is that there are never any neighbors to be concerned about... Any other campers around are doing the exact same thing.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-02-01T01:11:45.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-02-01T01:11:45.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":616},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283814","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1557","rawBody":"
River-Runner wrote:
If getting away from hookups, better also figure on having some pretty strong battery power to drive a furnace fan all night long in 20 degree weather. Recharging for the second day via generator will most likely leave you short for furnace on night two. Solar in Washington isn't going to do you a lot of good many days. Doable, but will require some planning.


I take a opposite approach.

When cold weather camping, I run the generator when the power is needed.... At night. In the morning, my batteries are fully charged, and easily handle the daytime power draw.
Unless the temps are cloder than 20. In that case, it usually means daytime temps never get above freezing. In that case the generator is run non stop. I have equipped my TT with a severe cold weather package which includes heat tape and insulation on all waterlines. And this requires AC to work. My TT should have riunning water at -45f.. We haven't been that cold, but have to -12f a few times with no issues.
We do go thru a lot of fuel though.

Camping these temps is not for casual campers. There will be no sitting around outside having a beer (it would freeze anyway) rather it is more like survival mode. The TT is a warm functional residence to get out of the cold for a while to recharge for the next outdoor excursion. The great thing is that there are never any neighbors to be concerned about... 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Edd505 wrote:
Why would you take an RV up in the passes to ski? Its a couple hr drive from the coast, rent a room at the resort or in the area when you want to spend the weekend. Way safer that taking an RV into the mountains in the winter for a weekend.


Been doing it with kids and grandkids for years. Head up Friday night, grab some tracks early Saturday, teach all day, grab some some tracks early Sunday and head home. Also good for checking out areas that were farther away. Always had chains, never needed them.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-01-25T21:54:29.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-01-25T21:54:29.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":617},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283812","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"562","rawBody":"
Edd505 wrote:
Why would you take an RV up in the passes to ski? Its a couple hr drive from the coast, rent a room at the resort or in the area when you want to spend the weekend. Way safer that taking an RV into the mountains in the winter for a weekend.


Been doing it with kids and grandkids for years. Head up Friday night, grab some tracks early Saturday, teach all day, grab some some tracks early Sunday and head home. Also good for checking out areas that were farther away. Always had chains, never needed them.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3283812_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283811":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3283811","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3283811":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:259511"},"id":"message:3283811","revisionNum":1,"uid":3283811,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3283786"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3283786"},"subject":"Re: 4 season camping","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283811"},"body":"
noteven wrote:
I have a 30ft Roughneck Travel trailer that functions fine at -35F. I wouldn’t call it “4 Season” because it doesn’t have woo hoo stickers proclaiming 4 season. It uses 4 gal propane per day in those conditions. It prefers a supply of 110v ac power for the 2 x 40,000btu rv turbofan furnaces.
It wouldn’t be that handy getting to the ski hill cause it weighs 9000lbs dry. But it will keep you warm.


More than what her truck can safely haul, and a bit bigger than she is looking for, but the way that the one floorplan is set up like an office would fit her needs in about 5 years. Thanks, I had never heard of these before.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-01-25T21:47:15.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-01-25T21:47:15.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":617},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283811","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"685","rawBody":"
noteven wrote:
I have a 30ft Roughneck Travel trailer that functions fine at -35F. I wouldn’t call it “4 Season” because it doesn’t have woo hoo stickers proclaiming 4 season. It uses 4 gal propane per day in those conditions. It prefers a supply of 110v ac power for the 2 x 40,000btu rv turbofan furnaces.
It wouldn’t be that handy getting to the ski hill cause it weighs 9000lbs dry. But it will keep you warm.


More than what her truck can safely haul, and a bit bigger than she is looking for, but the way that the one floorplan is set up like an office would fit her needs in about 5 years. Thanks, I had never heard of these before.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3283811_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283810":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3283810","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3283810":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:259511"},"id":"message:3283810","revisionNum":1,"uid":3283810,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3283786"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3283786"},"subject":"Re: 4 season camping","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283810"},"body":"
TurnThePage wrote:
If price is not a concern, and since you're in the northwest, you may want to check out Bigfoot. I think they are a step above the others mentioned. I finally got to look at one first hand last week. VERY well built and stout. And very ready for extreme weather.


I sent her the link, thanks.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-01-25T21:37:04.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-01-25T21:37:04.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":636},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283810","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"355","rawBody":"
TurnThePage wrote:
If price is not a concern, and since you're in the northwest, you may want to check out Bigfoot. I think they are a step above the others mentioned. I finally got to look at one first hand last week. VERY well built and stout. And very ready for extreme weather.


I sent her the link, thanks.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3283810_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283809":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3283809","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3283809":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:259511"},"id":"message:3283809","revisionNum":1,"uid":3283809,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3283786"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3283786"},"subject":"Re: 4 season camping","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283809"},"body":"
noteven wrote:
Escape trailers Chilliwack BC - 4 NW season capable. (going to rain, light rain, wet rain, wet snow).
Talked to an owner last week. They had used theirs which was spec’d for cold weather at -10F no freezes.


Good looking unit, however she is looking for something a bit bigger. Of course that may change.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-01-25T21:33:37.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-01-25T21:33:37.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":630},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283809","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"365","rawBody":"
noteven wrote:
Escape trailers Chilliwack BC - 4 NW season capable. (going to rain, light rain, wet rain, wet snow).
Talked to an owner last week. They had used theirs which was spec’d for cold weather at -10F no freezes.


Good looking unit, however she is looking for something a bit bigger. Of course that may change.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3283809_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:39":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:39","position":29,"name":"Nomad","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:108257":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:108257","uid":108257,"login":"time2roll","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-03-21T19:03:16.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:108257"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283808":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3283808","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3283808":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:108257"},"id":"message:3283808","revisionNum":1,"uid":3283808,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3283786"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3283786"},"subject":"Re: 4 season camping","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283808"},"body":"
Freeway Flyer 05 wrote:
Thanks all, a cabin is not for her, she is going places that aren't developed, for surfing, and ski areas that don't have hookups. Will check out the additional units mentioned.
The no hookups will be another challenge. Need a way to carry extra generator fuel and propane.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-01-25T20:24:51.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-01-25T20:24:51.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":630},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283808","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"328","rawBody":"
Freeway Flyer 05 wrote:
Thanks all, a cabin is not for her, she is going places that aren't developed, for surfing, and ski areas that don't have hookups. Will check out the additional units mentioned.
The no hookups will be another challenge. Need a way to carry extra generator fuel and propane.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3283808_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:1320":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1320","uid":1320,"login":"Edd505","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-05-20T19:46:12.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1320"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283807":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3283807","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3283807":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1320"},"id":"message:3283807","revisionNum":1,"uid":3283807,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3283786"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3283786"},"subject":"Re: 4 season camping","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283807"},"body":"Why would you take an RV up in the passes to ski? Its a couple hr drive from the coast, rent a room at the resort or in the area when you want to spend the weekend. Way safer that taking an RV into the mountains in the winter for a weekend.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-01-25T19:57:35.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-01-25T19:57:35.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":630},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283807","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"240","rawBody":"Why would you take an RV up in the passes to ski? Its a couple hr drive from the coast, rent a room at the resort or in the area when you want to spend the weekend. Way safer that taking an RV into the mountains in the winter for a weekend.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3283807_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283806":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3283806","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3283806":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:225976"},"id":"message:3283806","revisionNum":1,"uid":3283806,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3283786"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3283786"},"subject":"Re: 4 season camping","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283806"},"body":"
Blazing Zippers wrote:
We own a Outdoor trailer and have had pretty good luck with it. It's easy to heat and cool, tows very well, and is heck for stout. We've been in the low 20's and as hot as 100 degrees, and all was easy. Now, as with any trailer---there will be issues here and there, but we've encountered way less problems with ours than other brands.
Take a trip to their factory in Le Grande (both AF and Outdoor are made there). If that's out of the question, youtube has several videos by Adventurous Ways during their factory tours.
I don't work for them, but have been through several trailers and pulled thousands of miles.


I have been far colder and hotter than that in Arizona.
Most any TT will do OK at the mild temps you describe.

My present TT had running water down to about 7 degrees, with day time temps never getting above freezing. 115 is pretty common in Phoenix.

My previous TT with exposed tanks was good into the teens many times. The only issue was the dunp valves froze. Simply waited till We got warmer temps to dump.
Had I expected those temps with that TT, I would have put some antifreeze in them to lower the freeze point a few degrees.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-01-25T00:11:15.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-01-25T00:11:15.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":630},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283806","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1286","rawBody":"
Blazing Zippers wrote:
We own a Outdoor trailer and have had pretty good luck with it. It's easy to heat and cool, tows very well, and is heck for stout. We've been in the low 20's and as hot as 100 degrees, and all was easy. Now, as with any trailer---there will be issues here and there, but we've encountered way less problems with ours than other brands.
Take a trip to their factory in Le Grande (both AF and Outdoor are made there). If that's out of the question, youtube has several videos by Adventurous Ways during their factory tours.
I don't work for them, but have been through several trailers and pulled thousands of miles.


I have been far colder and hotter than that in Arizona.
Most any TT will do OK at the mild temps you describe.

My present TT had running water down to about 7 degrees, with day time temps never getting above freezing. 115 is pretty common in Phoenix.

My previous TT with exposed tanks was good into the teens many times. The only issue was the dunp valves froze. Simply waited till We got warmer temps to dump.
Had I expected those temps with that TT, I would have put some antifreeze in them to lower the freeze point a few degrees.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3283806_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:141940":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:141940","uid":141940,"login":"Blazing_Zippers","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-12-02T18:32:43.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:141940"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283805":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3283805","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3283805":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:141940"},"id":"message:3283805","revisionNum":1,"uid":3283805,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3283786"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3283786"},"subject":"Re: 4 season camping","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3283805"},"body":"We own a Outdoor trailer and have had pretty good luck with it. It's easy to heat and cool, tows very well, and is heck for stout. We've been in the low 20's and as hot as 100 degrees, and all was easy. Now, as with any trailer---there will be issues here and there, but we've encountered way less problems with ours than other brands.
Take a trip to their factory in Le Grande (both AF and Outdoor are made there). If that's out of the question, youtube has several videos by Adventurous Ways during their factory tours.
I don't work for them, but have been through several trailers and pulled thousands of miles.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-01-24T21:36:58.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-01-24T21:36:58.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":630},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3283786/message:3283805","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"625","rawBody":"We own a Outdoor trailer and have had pretty good luck with it. It's easy to heat and cool, tows very well, and is heck for stout. We've been in the low 20's and as hot as 100 degrees, and all was easy. Now, as with any trailer---there will be issues here and there, but we've encountered way less problems with ours than other brands.
Take a trip to their factory in Le Grande (both AF and Outdoor are made there). If that's out of the question, youtube has several videos by Adventurous Ways during their factory tours.
I don't work for them, but have been through several trailers and pulled thousands of miles.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3283805_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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