6.4cor 6.7?

tinner12002 wrote:

Threebigfords wrote:
Great! You got the right type of engine, now you just need the right brand of truck.

Ford makes the perfect rig for the Host Mammoth. The 2015/16 F450 has a long list of advantages over the Ram 3500. Stronger Axle, better gearing, tighter turning radius, G rated tires, more power, quieter ride, lower bed height for easier camper loading, better tow mirrors, stronger factory hitch, bigger brakes, front suspension components from a medium duty truck....you get the idea.

You get the benefits of a medium duty truck without the penalty of a derated engine.

It's all about buying the best tool for the job.

Why Ford...Ram makes capable 4500 and 5500 series trucks with the Cummins/Aisin combo!!

Why Ford? Didn't I already answer that in the post you quoted?? You get all the benefits I listed without the penalty of a class 4 truck...the Cummins/Aisin combo in a 4500/5500 is derated to 325/750 (that's 115hp and 150tq less than the F450!)...and then you have to put a flatbed on it.


Look I get it, the original poster is dead set against a Ford Diesel due to a problem with an engine built a decade ago, but that doesn't diminish the fact that the 2015 and up F450 CCLB is setup the best of any class 3 truck to carry the biggest campers.

burningman wrote:
This nonsense about gassers having more payload is brochure-readers fantasy.
The engine weighs a little less, but as mentioned, that's all up on the front where none of your payload is going anyway.
In the real world - not brochure fantasy land - the diesel will out-haul the gasser every time. That's the fact, Jack.

As one who was on the "gasser" side of things on this thread, and a person who has owned and towed with both, I have to say I agree with you. From a performance standpoint, when towing or hauling, the diesel will do a better job 99% of the time. That's where they shine. That doesn't mean the gas engine won't do the job though. If that 8 or 10k price difference matters to the buyer, and they are looking to haul a load infrequently, the gasser is a great option IMO.

burningman wrote:
This nonsense about gassers having more payload is brochure-readers fantasy.
The engine weighs a little less, but as mentioned, that's all up on the front where none of your payload is going anyway.
In the real world - not brochure fantasy land - the diesel will out-haul the gasser every time. That's the fact, Jack.

So is the notion that you need a dually with a wdh and sway control to pull anything bigger than a popup, but that's how we roll here!

Of course I make my back tires scream "We wish we were duals!" So loud I have to roll up the windows sometimes! Lol

burningman wrote:
This nonsense about gassers having more payload is brochure-readers fantasy.
The engine weighs a little less, but as mentioned, that's all up on the front where none of your payload is going anyway.
In the real world - not brochure fantasy land - the diesel will out-haul the gasser every time. That's the fact, Jack.

You get out of here with that common sense.

Ford makes "A" perfect rig for the big Host, but not "THE" perfect rig.
If Ford had the Cummins... they would own the truck market and there might not even be any such thing as a new Ram. But they don't.
The Powerstroke is (lately) a great motor too, but it's not the only one.
You can buy an equally-impressive new Chevy Duramax too.
These days no one truck maker has hands-down superiority.

Threebigfords wrote:
Great! You got the right type of engine, now you just need the right brand of truck.

Ford makes the perfect rig for the Host Mammoth. The 2015/16 F450 has a long list of advantages over the Ram 3500. Stronger Axle, better gearing, tighter turning radius, G rated tires, more power, quieter ride, lower bed height for easier camper loading, better tow mirrors, stronger factory hitch, bigger brakes, front suspension components from a medium duty truck....you get the idea.

You get the benefits of a medium duty truck without the penalty of a derated engine.

It's all about buying the best tool for the job.

Why Ford...Ram makes capable 4500 and 5500 series trucks with the Cummins/Aisin combo!!

This nonsense about gassers having more payload is brochure-readers fantasy.
The engine weighs a little less, but as mentioned, that's all up on the front where none of your payload is going anyway.
In the real world - not brochure fantasy land - the diesel will out-haul the gasser every time. That's the fact, Jack.

Good choice for what you'll be doing. But the 6.4 is no slouch. I pulled with it for the first time last weekend. I was not going on any highways, so i kept it locked in M4 so all 8 holes stay lit all the time.

Up in the mountains, on the steep grades, i got on it enough to kick it down to 3rd gear. It went to about 4k rpm and wow did she pull strong. I had to back out of it because i was accelerating too quickly, up hill!

Its a great engine. But like anything else has its limits. Id say 10k and under trailer weight, its a great choice. All trucks hold their value well, including gassers and half tons. Just my .02

Again, great choice and best of luck

huntram wrote:

Ron3rd wrote:
The 6.7 Cummins is a $9,000 option so you need to decide if it makes sense for you. My 2016 CTD is the last truck I'm ever gonna buy due to my age so I guess it made sense for me. A friend just bought a 6.4 Gasser and loves it, though it doesn't tow heavy

But according to KBB the 6.4 hemi set up exactly like my truck sells used for $6k less private party. Now knowing that deisels in real life hold value better it could actually be more. But that $9k after 3 year's is down to $3k difference already!

Brian

Not real world in general. But then again not many high mile used 6.4s to make that comparo.

Ron3rd wrote:
The 6.7 Cummins is a $9,000 option so you need to decide if it makes sense for you. My 2016 CTD is the last truck I'm ever gonna buy due to my age so I guess it made sense for me. A friend just bought a 6.4 Gasser and loves it, though it doesn't tow heavy

But according to KBB the 6.4 hemi set up exactly like my truck sells used for $6k less private party. Now knowing that deisels in real life hold value better it could actually be more. But that $9k after 3 year's is down to $3k difference already!

Brian