Adventurer 89RB/ Lance 855 Comparison
I am in the market doing my home work for a new camper. I was really leaning towards the Lance 855. How ever based on cost I began looking at other brands. I was surprised at what appears to me to be...
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Had you followed the full story behind "lancecampersucks" and his buddies, you'd know the details and the why Lance won't have anything to do with them after having spent a small fortune trying to make them happy with their frivelous garbage. I won't go into detail on here because the mod's etc will close the thread and the thread's OP is totally innocent of anything. It's my understanding and there's web pages stating that there's pending legal action being taken against some of these leeches and we are not allowed to discuss legal actions on this forum. That's all I'm going to say about it!
First, the materials used being similar are only part of the RV's equation. How they are used is just as important along with true tight, must be forced in, high density CNC cut foam so there are NO air voids for moisture etc. CNC machining is extremely accurate and precise down to the thousandth of an inch so the finished assembly fits tightly together and exhibits constant repeatablilty from RV unit to unit. A very standardized component assortment has been accompolished by Lance now that can carry from model to model. That's the only way highly accurate precision interchangable fixturing and jigs can be used to insure butt to butt assemblies each and every time. No gaps partially filled with welds that fatigue and break with normal TC flexing when hauled! Exactly how the automotive industry etc is doing to ensure true repeatability from vehicle. Perhaps, you may have noticed that using this manufacturing method is producing vehicles and engines that aren't ready for the junkyard at 100K miles anymore. 200K, 300K, 400K and they just keep on going!
Why do you think Lance spent millions of dollars for state of the art design capability and the CNC machining centers along with the trained employees to acheive this build quality, standardization, and repeatability? NO other TC manufacturer has anything like the Lance setup nor will they as Lance owns the patents to most of it and besides, the cotst Lance incurred for doing what Lance had done would be prohibitive. Lance had invested well into the future, not the past, for the ability of producing very high quality lasting true repeated fit and finish TC's and TT's that are really 4 season capable RV units.
Take Nothwood for example. They are a relatively small RV company offering many different lines etc under several different product name divisions that they make many less of each product division line. Therefore, they hardly have a snowballs chance in ____ of standardizing same framings, builds, and cabinetry etc. The cost to do so would be astronomical even if it were possible.
Do you realise how few Eagle Caps, for instance, are actually made each year? Are they a good TC? Yes, but very expensive and extremely heavy when they do NOT have to be! Not only do you pay a higher price for the TC but you also use more fuel for every mile it's hauled. Will an Eagle Cap have a longer service life than an equal year Lance? Not a chance! Because of the constant flexing that naturally occurs when driving which takes it toll on the component joints, the gaps in manufacturing due to stacked up component's tolerance variables, and that compromises weather sealing in affected areas.
With most TC manufacturers, the use of welded tubular etc framing is quite new which means the jury is still out on actual service life of the welded frames. Does the Lippert "bright idea" breaking frames debacle so many RV'ers have experienced ring a bell? They are made with steel just like the other frame makers were but they certainly were not even remotely close to the same strength or service life.
If you do not understand RV design, engineering, and manufacturing and the result thereof with the products produced, I'd certainly call your's or others simply "opinions" since they don't rely on actual facts!
The OP deserves facts and honesty and then it's up to him the make his own decision.
Had you followed the full story behind "lancecampersucks" and his buddies, you'd know the details and the why Lance won't have anything to do with them after having spent a small fortune trying to make them happy with their frivelous garbage. I won't go into detail on here because the mod's etc will close the thread and the thread's OP is totally innocent of anything. It's my understanding and there's web pages stating that there's pending legal action being taken against some of these leeches and we are not allowed to discuss legal actions on this forum. That's all I'm going to say about it!
First, the materials used being similar are only part of the RV's equation. How they are used is just as important along with true tight, must be forced in, high density CNC cut foam so there are NO air voids for moisture etc. CNC machining is extremely accurate and precise down to the thousandth of an inch so the finished assembly fits tightly together and exhibits constant repeatablilty from RV unit to unit. A very standardized component assortment has been accompolished by Lance now that can carry from model to model. That's the only way highly accurate precision interchangable fixturing and jigs can be used to insure butt to butt assemblies each and every time. No gaps partially filled with welds that fatigue and break with normal TC flexing when hauled! Exactly how the automotive industry etc is doing to ensure true repeatability from vehicle. Perhaps, you may have noticed that using this manufacturing method is producing vehicles and engines that aren't ready for the junkyard at 100K miles anymore. 200K, 300K, 400K and they just keep on going!
Why do you think Lance spent millions of dollars for state of the art design capability and the CNC machining centers along with the trained employees to acheive this build quality, standardization, and repeatability? NO other TC manufacturer has anything like the Lance setup nor will they as Lance owns the patents to most of it and besides, the cotst Lance incurred for doing what Lance had done would be prohibitive. Lance had invested well into the future, not the past, for the ability of producing very high quality lasting true repeated fit and finish TC's and TT's that are really 4 season capable RV units.
Take Nothwood for example. They are a relatively small RV company offering many different lines etc under several different product name divisions that they make many less of each product division line. Therefore, they hardly have a snowballs chance in ____ of standardizing same framings, builds, and cabinetry etc. The cost to do so would be astronomical even if it were possible.
Do you realise how few Eagle Caps, for instance, are actually made each year? Are they a good TC? Yes, but very expensive and extremely heavy when they do NOT have to be! Not only do you pay a higher price for the TC but you also use more fuel for every mile it's hauled. Will an Eagle Cap have a longer service life than an equal year Lance? Not a chance! Because of the constant flexing that naturally occurs when driving which takes it toll on the component joints, the gaps in manufacturing due to stacked up component's tolerance variables, and that compromises weather sealing in affected areas.
With most TC manufacturers, the use of welded tubular etc framing is quite new which means the jury is still out on actual service life of the welded frames. Does the Lippert "bright idea" breaking frames debacle so many RV'ers have experienced ring a bell? They are made with steel just like the other frame makers were but they certainly were not even remotely close to the same strength or service life.
If you do not understand RV design, engineering, and manufacturing and the result thereof with the products produced, I'd certainly call your's or others simply "opinions" since they don't rely on actual facts!
The OP deserves facts and honesty and then it's up to him the make his own decision.
