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I've seen the SRW group that says \"10 footer, no problem!\" and those who say \"popups only!\" and frankly, I'm only convinced of two things at the moment:
1. Yes the truck is rated for a specific GVRW. Period. 2. Yes the truck can handle more than GVRW.
I've been in different industries and can tell you that '11, 500lbs' GVRW is a nice round number chosen for a reason. Whether or not that reason has more to do with lawyers than engineers is the real question I suppose, but that isn't what this post is about.
I'm being told by the manufacturer (designer supposedly) of the AF990 that it was designed to ride a 1 ton single rear wheel truck and that all I need do is install stable loads on the truck. I also see lots of posts by people who have big campers like the 990 on SRW trucks who seem to do fine with them. I also see MANY SRW trucks rolling up and down the roads around me with big campers on the back.
So my question is for those who actually do this, that is, those who actually have an SRW truck with a 4000lbs+ camper on the back (AF990 starts at 3010lbs which is under my slide in camper weight of 3370 according to my truck but I know options are going to add around 500lbs and putting water in the tank, propane etc will add another 500 lbs (or so anyway): how is it really? Any trouble? Concerns?
Basically, did you put that sucker on and go \"oh ****!\" or did you think \"too easy\"? Let me know if you are a first timer, or old hat too (someone who's never had a camper and sticks a 4000lbs camper on a dually might think 'oh ****' after all.
Thanks","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2018-01-11T05:13:34.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:Truck Campers","text":"Truck Campers","time":"2004-07-23T08:16:35.000-07:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2826642_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":28663},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"body":"OK, so I've spent gobs of time reading about weights and trucks and what to do and what not to do. I've noticed many DRW owners have 9 foot campers and many have 11-12 footers, I've witnessed a Dodge SRW 3500 carrying a 1140 Arctic Fox (before options it was 3895lbs according to the sticker) and the drive claimed it road great with just air bags and he was pulling a 30 foot TT (to a dealer from the manufacturer).
I've seen the SRW group that says \"10 footer, no problem!\" and those who say \"popups only!\" and frankly, I'm only convinced of two things at the moment:
1. Yes the truck is rated for a specific GVRW. Period. 2. Yes the truck can handle more than GVRW.
I've been in different industries and can tell you that '11, 500lbs' GVRW is a nice round number chosen for a reason. Whether or not that reason has more to do with lawyers than engineers is the real question I suppose, but that isn't what this post is about.
I'm being told by the manufacturer (designer supposedly) of the AF990 that it was designed to ride a 1 ton single rear wheel truck and that all I need do is install stable loads on the truck. I also see lots of posts by people who have big campers like the 990 on SRW trucks who seem to do fine with them. I also see MANY SRW trucks rolling up and down the roads around me with big campers on the back.
So my question is for those who actually do this, that is, those who actually have an SRW truck with a 4000lbs+ camper on the back (AF990 starts at 3010lbs which is under my slide in camper weight of 3370 according to my truck but I know options are going to add around 500lbs and putting water in the tank, propane etc will add another 500 lbs (or so anyway): how is it really? Any trouble? Concerns?
Basically, did you put that sucker on and go \"oh ****!\" or did you think \"too easy\"? Let me know if you are a first timer, or old hat too (someone who's never had a camper and sticks a 4000lbs camper on a dually might think 'oh ****' after all.
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So, no food, clothes, tools etc and I'm 1126lbs overweight by the above....add another couple hundred pounds of vitals and clothes, gear etc and I'd be pushing the max on the axles but not the tires and over the GVRW by some 1300-1500lbs
I'm guess this isn't anything unusual for SRW guys since I've seen TONS of pics of people with F350 SRW's like mine loaded with these campers, the 811's which aren't much lighter and the bigger campers too.
Hmmmmm","body@stringLength":"774","rawBody":"Decided to do more math and added FULL water and propane to see what that would do: Water and Propane\t746 Camper\t3010 Options\t565 Me\t250 Wife\t145 Total\t4716 Truck\t7910 Gross\t12626 Axles\t13000 Tires\t14480 GVRW\t11500 Overlimit\t1126
So, no food, clothes, tools etc and I'm 1126lbs overweight by the above....add another couple hundred pounds of vitals and clothes, gear etc and I'd be pushing the max on the axles but not the tires and over the GVRW by some 1300-1500lbs
I'm guess this isn't anything unusual for SRW guys since I've seen TONS of pics of people with F350 SRW's like mine loaded with these campers, the 811's which aren't much lighter and the bigger campers too.
westernrvparkowner wrote: Yes, some RV parks do charge extra for a 50 amp site. In my experience it is relatively uncommon. We just charge for a site. All our sites are 50/30/20. The only monitoring we do of the power is if someone is doing something completely out of line or wasteful. Is that unfair to the little rigs? Maybe, maybe not. Little rig owners tend to use more of our facilities such as the restrooms and showers, so what they don't consume in electricity they may very well consume in labor we need to use to keep the showers and restrooms clean. The smallest of rigs, the popups, consume as much electricity as the big rigs if they are heating or cooling with electricity, because they have no insulation. And when you really get down to it, utility expenses are really not a big variable in park expenses. You will have a certain amount of utilities no matter what, and you can spend a whole lot of time and effort to attempt to manage it, and you really don't get anywhere. As for charging for 50 amp service, many parks do it because it appears to be acceptable to RVers. Those who want 50 amp service are not generally opposed to paying for it, so it is an opportunity to increase revenues, which is the goal of any privately owned business. The parks that do charge extra generally have sites that have 50 amp services and sites that do not, so there is no need to police what plug different people use. But there is no standard rule or policy, each park is free to charge however they like.
westernrvparkowner wrote: Yes, some RV parks do charge extra for a 50 amp site. In my experience it is relatively uncommon. We just charge for a site. All our sites are 50/30/20. The only monitoring we do of the power is if someone is doing something completely out of line or wasteful. Is that unfair to the little rigs? Maybe, maybe not. Little rig owners tend to use more of our facilities such as the restrooms and showers, so what they don't consume in electricity they may very well consume in labor we need to use to keep the showers and restrooms clean. The smallest of rigs, the popups, consume as much electricity as the big rigs if they are heating or cooling with electricity, because they have no insulation. And when you really get down to it, utility expenses are really not a big variable in park expenses. You will have a certain amount of utilities no matter what, and you can spend a whole lot of time and effort to attempt to manage it, and you really don't get anywhere. As for charging for 50 amp service, many parks do it because it appears to be acceptable to RVers. Those who want 50 amp service are not generally opposed to paying for it, so it is an opportunity to increase revenues, which is the goal of any privately owned business. The parks that do charge extra generally have sites that have 50 amp services and sites that do not, so there is no need to police what plug different people use. But there is no standard rule or policy, each park is free to charge however they like.
