"Also, you say not to get input from owners of a brand of TT, but to get it from people who haven't owned one. So your saying I should listen to people like you that formed an opinion from a factory tour, and ignore owners who have owned one"
Oh, come on My Roadtrek, that's the new American way! Don't listen to people with experience in a subject, listen to people who have a superficial awareness of a subject, but haven't done in-depth research.
While a tour of a factory can be enlightening, I would venture to say that most people, if they watched their house being built, would be appalled and say it was shoddy workmanship. But, once all the nails are in, siding on, etc, the house is stable, and is pretty good. Granted, not as good as a custom home at a much higher rate for the labor, but it still is a good house. But, unless we buy a very-high-end custom trailer, most are built with about the same level of care and quality control.
To bash a brand that one has not owned is irresponsible. It is like people on this forum bashing a poster based on a few comments. We don't know the posters as individuals, so we really can't say if someone is good, bad, educated, ignorant, or just trying to incite a discussion. All posts should be viewed as someone's opinion, and taken with a grain of salt.