Anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

horton333 wrote:
personal experience.

Exactly. Mine is different than yours, and having done it both ways, I'll stick with what I've learned.

And we're not racing our towing combos. I couldn't care less if a sports car is faster than my truck when towing a trailer. I tow at a moderate speed and have encountered a lot of hairy situations over the years and never had a problem with control.

I have towed with all sorts of tow vehicles. A properly setup car is the most stable for a moderately sized trailer.
Those cars are on the edge of control in the video, that is the point of this test! Look at the times, the truck comes in last when all are pushed to the limits. It doesn't just look bad for the truck, it cannot corner as well as it is not as stable. This directly translates to the real world in my experience, and of course the same test is widely used as a first pass evaluation for sports cars. I know this is not some people's opinion, but engineers like me like tests and personal experience.

Me Again wrote:
How do you do a weight distribution hitch on an uni-body vehicle? Chris

Same as any other. Some have a rear subframe to attach to. Some simply attach to the "frame rails", that is the molded in channels that add stiffness to the structure. It works fine and should be perfectly adequate when staying within published weights.

It gone! I was going to take more pictures, but he is out on the road somewhere East of Phoenix.

Here is a zoom crop of the hitch area. How do you do a weight distribution hitch on an uni-body vehicle? Chris

horton333 wrote:
Towing videos
Above are some videos, and real world measurement testing. While for some reason a lot of videos are not there right now the measured results put trucks last in testing for slalom ability. This directly translates to stability when towing.
Andy spends a lot of time and does some clever things to get this performance, most dealers don't have the interest nor technical ability.
This is only one measure, but given most people not familiar with the physics tend to think of stability as one of the disadvantages I post FYI.

Two things. One, dealers, especially in the US won't put themselves in the position of being held civilly liable should something go wrong or the vehicle experience a premature failure. And yes most dealers do have the technical expertise to do this kind of work. They choose not to. In Canada civil liability is not nearly as big of an issue. Very different mind-set here.

Second, I've seen the videos. Interesting exercises but not real world day to day towing. Those situations are actually very rare. Have you actually towed with a full size truck and a smaller vehicle and compared the two? I have. And yes, the smaller vehicles were set up correctly. I read and viewed everything Andy publishes. Everything was safe and they towed fine. But I can tell you that I'd much rather tow with a right sized tow vehicle. Night and day difference in towing ability and comfort.

Sooo.. If i can hook my Jeep to any of my trailers and make it look level I can park the F350's and just tow with the jeepwrangler rated fo 2000lbs???

horton333 wrote:
Towing videos
Above are some videos, and real world measurement testing. While for some reason a lot of videos are not there right now the measured results put trucks last in testing for slalom ability. This directly translates to stability when towing.
Andy spends a lot of time and does some clever things to get this performance, most dealers don't have the interest nor technical ability.
This is only one measure, but given most people not familiar with the physics tend to think of stability as one of the disadvantages I post FYI.

To me, those videos show that some of the TV's are operating right at the edge of stability. I can see the front axles of the vehicles lifting. Trucks may look more awkward on this same course due to the wider turning arc.
Folks are free to do what they like, I just hope some of these combinations don't share close road space with me.

The tire clearance in the front and rear wheel wells sure would support the notion that the trailer is connected to the car.

3oaks wrote:
Still pictures can be deceiving. Is it actually hitched to the car? Did anyone witness the trailer being towed by the car in the picture? :@

Yes with equalizer setup. I also believe this model Lexus is a unibody vehiche without a true frame. If I can catch it unhitched maybe I can get the actual model number of the TV off the back. I did not want to invade their space to get more info. Chris

Towing videos
Above are some videos, and real world measurement testing. While for some reason a lot of videos are not there right now the measured results put trucks last in testing for slalom ability. This directly translates to stability when towing.
Andy spends a lot of time and does some clever things to get this performance, most dealers don't have the interest nor technical ability.
This is only one measure, but given most people not familiar with the physics tend to think of stability as one of the disadvantages I post FYI.