Mitch, I will respond to your post "in line", figured that might make it easier to follow for both of us...
MitchF150 wrote:
So Bulldawg, even with all the "condescending and borderline rude" posts so far, what are you trying to convince yourself on?
I am not trying to "convince myself" of anything. Again, I will say, I am trying to learn. It seems that folks on here are under the impression people get on her, ask questions to try to perhaps, create their own reality. That is not me. I have a great truck that I am pleased with, and the perfect camper for my young family. All the same, I do find some of the numbers curious, and (although I have now learned through this thread thusfar most likely hyped up marketing numbers) those numbers are a little contradictory as well.
Is it that your F250 is the same as an F350? I am not "trying to convince myself" that my 250 is the same as a SRW350, however, as this "conversation" evolves on the thread, I am becoming more intrigued as to what does set the two apart. More specifically, if tires, axles, and even spring sets are the same between the two, what factor creates the large discrepancy between the two regarding payload numbers. Is it simply that the 350 has a higher GVWR? And if that is the case, why? And how arbitrary is it? I understand how payload is calculated, actual weight of fully optioned vehicle less GVWR. The 350 shares an engine, body panels, brakes, transmission, 4wd system (if equipped), etc. Again, not trying to convince myself of ANYTHING, quiet frankly, I have no need to, my truck does absolutely everything I need to to do without breaking a sweat.
If so, it looks like that is the basically the case, in that, just a quick check confirms that the brakes and probably most, if not all, of the rear axle parts are the same between the two trucks.. Well, the 2" block and 4" block is different too.. ;)
The difference is the registered GVW for each truck and what the owner decides to load in each truck.. ;) So again, what constitues the different GVW rating, or is it somewhat arbitrary? What allows the 350 number to be higher. Even though I have an "It is what it is" sign hanging in my garage, I typically don't like to take the answer of, Well...just because" as an acceptable answer.
You say "There are a lot of variables, and in my reading it does make sense so look more towards the linear items."
Does that mean the F250's door jamb stickers or the F350 door jamb stickers?
Or the actual axle manufactures weight rating for their axle (which is higher than the OEM) or the tires max load rating??
My quote on "there are a lot of variables" was just my attempt at a nice response to Hannibals post regarding the ratings he used due to the fact that they were a constant, or "linear". Nothing more.
Anyway, it seems to me when your first post called out the "Weight Police" for their responses to your questions and you to call them "condescending and borderline rude".. I still wonder what answer you are looking for.. :) I did not call out all of the responses as being "condescending and borderline rude", only the ones that were really "non-responses". Answer with info, numbers, explanation, that is great. Educate me. I do not get my feelings hurt, and since I don't purport to have the right answer, so naturally I would not be offended if someone made me appear "wrong". I have nothing to be wrong about, just asking questions. The posts that say things such as "You can do whatever you want, it's your truck" or "What are you trying to convince yourself of?" are the ones that get me. ;)
I maybe completely misunderstanding all of your questions and answers to this so far, so if that's the case, I apologize in advance for calling you out on it, but at this moment in time and reading and re-reading this entire thread, that's how I'm interpreting it...
I don't see you as calling me out, I simply see it as you trying to get a grasp on the subject matter of the thread and what I am looking for. And honestly, I think it has evolved over the past 36 hours. Again, this thread has been more conversative than most which ask a question and get a few variations of a similar answer.
Love this forum! Thanks for checking in, Mitch.
Jayson
Mitch