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- beth4652ExplorerWe have a Keystone Passport Ultra Lite, and love it. Good year 'round. Just the right size for the two of us.
- colliehaulerExplorer III
sushidog wrote:
Chip someone could say that about your Aliner, (You know how many tents I could buy for the price of a Aliner). Next person could say (You know how many plastic tarps I could buy for the price of a tent).
I like the concept of the Airstream, and I'm sure it is a fine camper. However for FT use, the new ones lack slides to expand the interior room, and have a low carrying capacity which is important for FT use.
I'm looking for a travel trailer for FT use too (3 years from now), but I will be towing with a 3/4 ton, so I have a little more towing capacity. Now if they made one with a floorplan and specs similar to this: http://www.candyscampers.com/detail.cfm?id=1743 such as: 3 slides, 3,000+lbs CCC, 80 gal fresh and 80 gal gray tanks (for extended boondocking), 0-100 degree arctic insulation package, wide body design, etc., then they might partially justify their high price. But their top-of-the-line Land Yacht has no slides, only 1614 lbs CCC, water tanks less than 40 gal capacity and a price of around $145K, vs $34k for the previous example of a fully featured TT with much more sq. footage., carrying capacity, twice the size water tanks, etc.
I fail to see what attracts so many to the antiquated (iconic?) design, other than the sleek looks, relatively light weight and aerodynamics. I can't see where you could ever save enough fuel towing one to make up the huge price difference. Durable, sure, but how long do you intend to own one? Looking at the price difference between the 2 afore mentioned models as an example, one could buy 5, that's right 5 new Sprinters for the price of a single new Land Yacht. So if you decide to replace your conventional TT every 10 years (about the time that the rubber roof warranty runs out, rather than replace the roof) that means that you can have a brand new TT every 10 years for 50 years for the price of one new Airsteam Land Yacht (which may or may not last 50 yrs. like the older ones are reputed to do). This example ignores inflation, and rising TT values as the years pass, but it also ignores the residual value of your old trailer, and the time value of money, too, making this consideration favor owning a brand new trailer every 10 years (with all new, modern: interior, tires, appliances, etc.). Besides, how many of us even have 50 years left to live? So if we are at retirement age when considering this purchase and only have half of this RVing time left (optimistically), we might only purchase 1 or 2 more trailers before we expire. This dose of realism favors the purchase of an inexpensive, relatively short lived conventional trailer even more.
No disrespect to others who have made the decision to purchase a new Airstream, as we all (myself included) often do things based on emotion and desire that are not in our best financial interests. I'm just pointing out the financial folly of such a decision for a trailer with less functionality, whether used in an RV park, campground or for boondocking. They sure look sweet and tow like a dream though...just not something I'd recommend.
Chip
It's all relative. Some people love the Airstream and had enough success in life that its not a financial burden.
The Airstream might not be for you or I but there is enough market to keep the company going and that speaks volumes in today's economy. - myredracerExplorer IIThe payload capacity of the VW will be the limiting factory, not "towing" capacity. Check what the payload capacity is and also the receiver limit.
Whatever they get, for aging folks I would get something with a slide out and a sofa. This may very well not be possible with that VW tho. If they are TV watchers, pay attention to where the seating is compared to the TV location - sometimes it can be difficult to see the TV and/or the seating is uncomfortable. Swivel recliners would be a nice feature to have.
Get something that has decent circulation space for two. In our 1st TT, the kitchen counter was opposite the bathroom and we had to squeeze by each other all the time. Got tired of that really quick and sold it a year later. - sushidogExplorerI like the concept of the Airstream, and I'm sure it is a fine camper. However for FT use, the new ones lack slides to expand the interior room, and have a low carrying capacity which is important for FT use.
I'm looking for a travel trailer for FT use too (3 years from now), but I will be towing with a 3/4 ton, so I have a little more towing capacity. Now if they made one with a floorplan and specs similar to this: http://www.candyscampers.com/detail.cfm?id=1743 such as: 3 slides, 3,000+lbs CCC, 80 gal fresh and 80 gal gray tanks (for extended boondocking), 0-100 degree arctic insulation package, wide body design, etc., then they might partially justify their high price. But their top-of-the-line Land Yacht has no slides, only 1614 lbs CCC, water tanks less than 40 gal capacity and a price of around $145K, vs $34k for the previous example of a fully featured TT with much more sq. footage., carrying capacity, twice the size water tanks, etc.
I fail to see what attracts so many to the antiquated (iconic?) design, other than the sleek looks, relatively light weight and aerodynamics. I can't see where you could ever save enough fuel towing one to make up the huge price difference. Durable, sure, but how long do you intend to own one? Looking at the price difference between the 2 afore mentioned models as an example, one could buy 5, that's right 5 new Sprinters for the price of a single new Land Yacht. So if you decide to replace your conventional TT every 10 years (about the time that the rubber roof warranty runs out, rather than replace the roof) that means that you can have a brand new TT every 10 years for 50 years for the price of one new Airsteam Land Yacht (which may or may not last 50 yrs. like the older ones are reputed to do). This example ignores inflation, and rising TT values as the years pass, but it also ignores the residual value of your old trailer, and the time value of money, too, making this consideration favor owning a brand new trailer every 10 years (with all new, modern: interior, tires, appliances, etc.). Besides, how many of us even have 50 years left to live? So if we are at retirement age when considering this purchase and only have half of this RVing time left (optimistically), we might only purchase 1 or 2 more trailers before we expire. This dose of realism favors the purchase of an inexpensive, relatively short lived conventional trailer even more.
No disrespect to others who have made the decision to purchase a new Airstream, as we all (myself included) often do things based on emotion and desire that are not in our best financial interests. I'm just pointing out the financial folly of such a decision for a trailer with less functionality, whether used in an RV park, campground or for boondocking. They sure look sweet and tow like a dream though...just not something I'd recommend.
Chip - ROBERTSUNRUSExplorer
djgarcia wrote:
colliehauler wrote:
It sounds like they already are looking at a nice camper. Airstream is always a iconic brand.
Airstream is a great trailer, the problem is that you have to rob a Bank to pay for it:):):) You can buy other brands of equal quality trailers for much less money!
:) Hi, I'm not rich and didn't rob anyone, but I own an Airstream. We bought it brand new; Made a small deposit and one payment after that. Equal quality is debatable. (for less money, is not debatable) - djsamuelNomadWe are getting ready to retire and purchased a Camplite 21BHS. May be a bit big for the TV you mention, but they have smaller models. Really excellent units.
Camplite web site - fitznjExplorerYou have not stated what your in-laws requirements are?
Winter camping? then interior space is more important
How many beds ? are they expecting guests
Dinette? we don't have one and always eat outside or on the sofa
Slide outs? I can't live without one - but that is me
Size of the bathroom? I can't live with a cramped space
Are they taking"stuff" with them? where are they going to put it?
How tall are they?
What kind of floor-plane do they like - I prefer living room at the back and bed at the front.
Without knowing the requirements - it tough to recommend anything.
The Toureg is a short wheel base vehicle - be really careful with the length of the TT. I've learned over the past 20+ years of towing that the wheelbase of the vehicle will make a huge difference in the towing experience.
Gerry - MarkTwainExplorer
colliehauler wrote:
It sounds like they already are looking at a nice camper. Airstream is always a iconic brand.
Airstream is a great trailer, the problem is that you have to rob a Bank to pay for it:):):) You can buy other brands of equal quality trailers for much less money! - sushidogExplorerI like that Oliver Legacy Elite II. It is only 4,600lbs (7,000lbs GVWR) yet 23.5' long. It has an aluminum chassis. They are pricy though, (as are the Airstreams.) http://olivertraveltrailers.com/brochure/2015-OTT-Legacy-Elite-2-pages.pdf
Being a tightwad, I'd go with a more conventional trailer like the Gulf Breeze Ultra Lite line by Gulfstream. For example, here's a 30'10' trailer with a slide that weighs in under 4,800lbs (with a generous 2,700lb CCC) - for less than half the price of the first 2 mentioned. Get one a couple years old and save even more. http://gulfstreamrvtrailers.com/gulf-breeze-sport/floorplans/28RLF.php
Chip - bgumExplorerWhile Olivers are nice campers they should not be compared to Airstreams. Apples and oranges. First off Olivers are factory sold and serviced. Airstream has a solid dealer base for sales and service. Airstream has been made since the 1930s. Olivers first sold in 2007 went in hibernation and reappeared in 2013.
Good luck with any camper purchase you make.
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