Breakdown of truck sales 2016

mich800 wrote:

blofgren wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

blofgren wrote:

Wild Card wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

blofgren wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Wild Card wrote:
At least you dont have to yank the cab on a Ram for major work...if needed

I like being able to change my oil filter without having to remove my front right tire or the air box housing and tube. Come to think of it, changing the fuel filters is pretty easy too on the Fords and I don't have to worry about the transmission until 150K miles.

Great reasons to not buy a truck! Wow with all that and great mirror i'm bout ready to jump ship!

Well there's more reasons than that but I don't want to spend hours typing them out. You'd be here all day reading and then you'd spend the next few days haggling with dealers trying to trade your Ram in on a good Ford. I'd rather you drive in ignorance and not know what your missing.

Between owning Fords and driving several Super Duties at work I know there's very little that current generation Ram owners are missing. And playing Russian roulette with the "delicate" CP4 HPFP is something I'll gladly miss out on! ;)

You're right...its way better to play Russian roulette with your entire truck. When's the last time Ford was ordered to conduct a mass buyback?

Should have been ordered a buyback with the 6.0 and 6.4 abortions of an engine.

Exactly. When's the last time Ram spent over $1 billion in warranty repairs on a single engine? Face it, Ford's diesel reputation has been pretty dismal since the 6.0L. It's getting better but even the 6.7L has had some pretty serious issues for an engine that was supposedly tested and abused to the moon and back before it's release according to Ford. And the real icing on the cake is the number of CP4 failures that Ford refuses to warranty, unlike GM. Also, the massive buyback you are referring to is for the last generation Ram, not the current one.

And lastly, I'm not a Ford hater. I owned 3 of them over the course of 20 years with the last one being a 6.0L. I also drive a F-150 for work every day and it's a great truck. I would buy one without hesitation if I were in the market for a 1/2 ton.

So Ford's problems with previous outsourced diesel engines are fair game but not the previous generations of Ram trucks? :R

Ford dumped International's engines and it's in-house 6.7 has proven to be a good engine. The CP4 is blown out of proportion here because its all you've got. I know dozens of 6.7 owners and none of us have had any issues. Every brand has its issues even your beloved Ram. There's a poster on here now claiming his Ram is a "turd".

Lastly, I'm not a Ram hater since I've owned numerous but I have had issues with their quality. My father has had issues with Ram. My Uncles have had problems with Ram. It's a common theme in my family and we've all moved on. From our experience, Ford and GM make better more reliable trucks. I'm glad you like your F-150, I like mine too and its 14 years old! :B

Oh I didn't know that all of the posts on Ford forums (many of them) regarding dropped valves, broken crankshafts, turbo failures, and glow plug tips breaking off into the cylinders actually weren't problems...... ;). And not to mention the jackhammering regen issue.

Anyway, I'm happy to hear you're happy with your Ford and I wish you the best for many good years and miles ahead! :B

I'm lost. I need the Readers Digest version. :)

The Readers Digest version is welcome to the Brand Wars. In short, your house burnt down makes mine look better.

blofgren wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

blofgren wrote:

Wild Card wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

blofgren wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Wild Card wrote:
At least you dont have to yank the cab on a Ram for major work...if needed

I like being able to change my oil filter without having to remove my front right tire or the air box housing and tube. Come to think of it, changing the fuel filters is pretty easy too on the Fords and I don't have to worry about the transmission until 150K miles.

Great reasons to not buy a truck! Wow with all that and great mirror i'm bout ready to jump ship!

Well there's more reasons than that but I don't want to spend hours typing them out. You'd be here all day reading and then you'd spend the next few days haggling with dealers trying to trade your Ram in on a good Ford. I'd rather you drive in ignorance and not know what your missing.

Between owning Fords and driving several Super Duties at work I know there's very little that current generation Ram owners are missing. And playing Russian roulette with the "delicate" CP4 HPFP is something I'll gladly miss out on! ;)

You're right...its way better to play Russian roulette with your entire truck. When's the last time Ford was ordered to conduct a mass buyback?

Should have been ordered a buyback with the 6.0 and 6.4 abortions of an engine.

Exactly. When's the last time Ram spent over $1 billion in warranty repairs on a single engine? Face it, Ford's diesel reputation has been pretty dismal since the 6.0L. It's getting better but even the 6.7L has had some pretty serious issues for an engine that was supposedly tested and abused to the moon and back before it's release according to Ford. And the real icing on the cake is the number of CP4 failures that Ford refuses to warranty, unlike GM. Also, the massive buyback you are referring to is for the last generation Ram, not the current one.

And lastly, I'm not a Ford hater. I owned 3 of them over the course of 20 years with the last one being a 6.0L. I also drive a F-150 for work every day and it's a great truck. I would buy one without hesitation if I were in the market for a 1/2 ton.

So Ford's problems with previous outsourced diesel engines are fair game but not the previous generations of Ram trucks? :R

Ford dumped International's engines and it's in-house 6.7 has proven to be a good engine. The CP4 is blown out of proportion here because its all you've got. I know dozens of 6.7 owners and none of us have had any issues. Every brand has its issues even your beloved Ram. There's a poster on here now claiming his Ram is a "turd".

Lastly, I'm not a Ram hater since I've owned numerous but I have had issues with their quality. My father has had issues with Ram. My Uncles have had problems with Ram. It's a common theme in my family and we've all moved on. From our experience, Ford and GM make better more reliable trucks. I'm glad you like your F-150, I like mine too and its 14 years old! :B

Oh I didn't know that all of the posts on Ford forums (many of them) regarding dropped valves, broken crankshafts, turbo failures, and glow plug tips breaking off into the cylinders actually weren't problems...... ;). And not to mention the jackhammering regen issue.

Anyway, I'm happy to hear you're happy with your Ford and I wish you the best for many good years and miles ahead! :B

I'm lost. I need the Readers Digest version. :)

patriotgrunt wrote:

blofgren wrote:

Wild Card wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

blofgren wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Wild Card wrote:
At least you dont have to yank the cab on a Ram for major work...if needed

I like being able to change my oil filter without having to remove my front right tire or the air box housing and tube. Come to think of it, changing the fuel filters is pretty easy too on the Fords and I don't have to worry about the transmission until 150K miles.

Great reasons to not buy a truck! Wow with all that and great mirror i'm bout ready to jump ship!

Well there's more reasons than that but I don't want to spend hours typing them out. You'd be here all day reading and then you'd spend the next few days haggling with dealers trying to trade your Ram in on a good Ford. I'd rather you drive in ignorance and not know what your missing.

Between owning Fords and driving several Super Duties at work I know there's very little that current generation Ram owners are missing. And playing Russian roulette with the "delicate" CP4 HPFP is something I'll gladly miss out on! ;)

You're right...its way better to play Russian roulette with your entire truck. When's the last time Ford was ordered to conduct a mass buyback?

Should have been ordered a buyback with the 6.0 and 6.4 abortions of an engine.

Exactly. When's the last time Ram spent over $1 billion in warranty repairs on a single engine? Face it, Ford's diesel reputation has been pretty dismal since the 6.0L. It's getting better but even the 6.7L has had some pretty serious issues for an engine that was supposedly tested and abused to the moon and back before it's release according to Ford. And the real icing on the cake is the number of CP4 failures that Ford refuses to warranty, unlike GM. Also, the massive buyback you are referring to is for the last generation Ram, not the current one.

And lastly, I'm not a Ford hater. I owned 3 of them over the course of 20 years with the last one being a 6.0L. I also drive a F-150 for work every day and it's a great truck. I would buy one without hesitation if I were in the market for a 1/2 ton.

So Ford's problems with previous outsourced diesel engines are fair game but not the previous generations of Ram trucks? :R

Ford dumped International's engines and it's in-house 6.7 has proven to be a good engine. The CP4 is blown out of proportion here because its all you've got. I know dozens of 6.7 owners and none of us have had any issues. Every brand has its issues even your beloved Ram. There's a poster on here now claiming his Ram is a "turd".

Lastly, I'm not a Ram hater since I've owned numerous but I have had issues with their quality. My father has had issues with Ram. My Uncles have had problems with Ram. It's a common theme in my family and we've all moved on. From our experience, Ford and GM make better more reliable trucks. I'm glad you like your F-150, I like mine too and its 14 years old! :B

Oh I didn't know that all of the posts on Ford forums (many of them) regarding dropped valves, broken crankshafts, turbo failures, and glow plug tips breaking off into the cylinders actually weren't problems...... ;). And not to mention the jackhammering regen issue.

Anyway, I'm happy to hear you're happy with your Ford and I wish you the best for many good years and miles ahead! :B

Marty you know its never over ....... in the school yard

RamGuy2500 wrote:


I'm a long way off from trading it in just yet. First I have to win over the wife and convince her that this is justified. Next I have to find a deal and finally

I need to know how to change my user handle.

I'm ok adding Former to the front.

contact your local rv.net murderator, and they might know somebodys uncle or BIL or sister or some such thing that can change your handle if need be.........

are you all done talking out of your stinky end yet?

Marty

FishOnOne wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
Are you.all done.disCUSSing the sales figures......loops, good and bad of each brand truck per your stinky.hole?!?!? ;)

Marty

It has been fun! This is the most lively board in this forum. Can't wait to see February's sales numbers so we can start again. :B

I agree.... With the exception of a ram owner who's got a truck with problems as it's obvious he knows how to address the issue. As a reminder my cousin wrenches on these ram trucks and I got an ear full of trending problems during our Christmas get together.

Yes the 6.0PSD and the 6.4PSD kept him busy but now that there out of warranty there are less diesel techs required in the Ford shop than the Chrysler shop for a few years now and this dealer sells more Fords to boot.

I'm a long way off from trading it in just yet. First I have to win over the wife and convince her that this is justified. Next I have to find a deal and finally I need to know how to change my user handle. I'm ok adding Former to the front.

Wild Card wrote:

RamGuy2500 wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

RamGuy2500 wrote:
The resale value on my current Ram is killing me. I'm going to take a blood bath trading it in.

Just curious, if you think Ram is so terrible and GM and Ford are so vastly superior... why did you buy a Ram in the first place?

Furthermore, where are you looking to sell that you can't get a decent trade in price on a 3 year old diesel? Around my parts, the used diesels cost darn near as much as brand new ones... including the "horrible" Rams...

I purchased my Ram without any care about resale value because I figured it would last 4ever. I guess they fooled me. So far I've only discussed a trade with my dealer and the price he's offered me is a joke even after they know how upset I am with my truck. I guess I'm going to have a discussion with my local Ford and Chevy dealers now.

You didn't answer any of the questions. What seems to be the problem with your Ram?

I answered all of the questions Spoon asked. If you want to know what went wrong with my truck then where do I start? Too many to list. Check my previous threads. Its in the shop all the time.

blofgren wrote:

Wild Card wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

blofgren wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Wild Card wrote:
At least you dont have to yank the cab on a Ram for major work...if needed

I like being able to change my oil filter without having to remove my front right tire or the air box housing and tube. Come to think of it, changing the fuel filters is pretty easy too on the Fords and I don't have to worry about the transmission until 150K miles.

Great reasons to not buy a truck! Wow with all that and great mirror i'm bout ready to jump ship!

Well there's more reasons than that but I don't want to spend hours typing them out. You'd be here all day reading and then you'd spend the next few days haggling with dealers trying to trade your Ram in on a good Ford. I'd rather you drive in ignorance and not know what your missing.

Between owning Fords and driving several Super Duties at work I know there's very little that current generation Ram owners are missing. And playing Russian roulette with the "delicate" CP4 HPFP is something I'll gladly miss out on! ;)

You're right...its way better to play Russian roulette with your entire truck. When's the last time Ford was ordered to conduct a mass buyback?

Should have been ordered a buyback with the 6.0 and 6.4 abortions of an engine.

Exactly. When's the last time Ram spent over $1 billion in warranty repairs on a single engine? Face it, Ford's diesel reputation has been pretty dismal since the 6.0L. It's getting better but even the 6.7L has had some pretty serious issues for an engine that was supposedly tested and abused to the moon and back before it's release according to Ford. And the real icing on the cake is the number of CP4 failures that Ford refuses to warranty, unlike GM. Also, the massive buyback you are referring to is for the last generation Ram, not the current one.

And lastly, I'm not a Ford hater. I owned 3 of them over the course of 20 years with the last one being a 6.0L. I also drive a F-150 for work every day and it's a great truck. I would buy one without hesitation if I were in the market for a 1/2 ton.

So Ford's problems with previous outsourced diesel engines are fair game but not the previous generations of Ram trucks? :R

Ford dumped International's engines and it's in-house 6.7 has proven to be a good engine. The CP4 is blown out of proportion here because its all you've got. I know dozens of 6.7 owners and none of us have had any issues. Every brand has its issues even your beloved Ram. There's a poster on here now claiming his Ram is a "turd".

Lastly, I'm not a Ram hater since I've owned numerous but I have had issues with their quality. My father has had issues with Ram. My Uncles have had problems with Ram. It's a common theme in my family and we've all moved on. From our experience, Ford and GM make better more reliable trucks. I'm glad you like your F-150, I like mine too and its 14 years old! :B

patriotgrunt wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
Are you.all done.disCUSSing the sales figures......loops, good and bad of each brand truck per your stinky.hole?!?!? ;)

Marty

It has been fun! This is the most lively board in this forum. Can't wait to see February's sales numbers so we can start again. :B

I agree.... With the exception of a ram owner who's got a truck with problems as it's obvious he knows how to address the issue. As a reminder my cousin wrenches on these ram trucks and I got an ear full of trending problems during our Christmas get together.

Yes the 6.0PSD and the 6.4PSD kept him busy but now that there out of warranty there are less diesel techs required in the Ford shop than the Chrysler shop for a few years now and this dealer sells more Fords to boot.

Wild Card wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

blofgren wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Wild Card wrote:
At least you dont have to yank the cab on a Ram for major work...if needed

I like being able to change my oil filter without having to remove my front right tire or the air box housing and tube. Come to think of it, changing the fuel filters is pretty easy too on the Fords and I don't have to worry about the transmission until 150K miles.

Great reasons to not buy a truck! Wow with all that and great mirror i'm bout ready to jump ship!

Well there's more reasons than that but I don't want to spend hours typing them out. You'd be here all day reading and then you'd spend the next few days haggling with dealers trying to trade your Ram in on a good Ford. I'd rather you drive in ignorance and not know what your missing.

Between owning Fords and driving several Super Duties at work I know there's very little that current generation Ram owners are missing. And playing Russian roulette with the "delicate" CP4 HPFP is something I'll gladly miss out on! ;)

You're right...its way better to play Russian roulette with your entire truck. When's the last time Ford was ordered to conduct a mass buyback?

Should have been ordered a buyback with the 6.0 and 6.4 abortions of an engine.

Exactly. When's the last time Ram spent over $1 billion in warranty repairs on a single engine? Face it, Ford's diesel reputation has been pretty dismal since the 6.0L. It's getting better but even the 6.7L has had some pretty serious issues for an engine that was supposedly tested and abused to the moon and back before it's release according to Ford. And the real icing on the cake is the number of CP4 failures that Ford refuses to warranty, unlike GM. Also, the massive buyback you are referring to is for the last generation Ram, not the current one.

And lastly, I'm not a Ford hater. I owned 3 of them over the course of 20 years with the last one being a 6.0L. I also drive a F-150 for work every day and it's a great truck. I would buy one without hesitation if I were in the market for a 1/2 ton.