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kokotg
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Jun 25, 2015

Buying a used van: what to look for

So I've spent the past few days trying to absorb all the different numbers involved and reading thread after thread, and I think I'm ready to ask my own questions. I'm sure I'll still sound like I have no idea what I'm talking about, but just imagine how I would have sounded a few days ago! ;)

We're hoping to buy our first travel trailer in the next few months. At the moment our vehicles are a Toyota Sienna and a 20 year old Camry, so clearly we're going to be buying a TV as well. There are 6 of us: my husband and I and 4 boys (one of whom is 14 and already adult sized and two more will be soon. Youngest is just 2, so he'll stay shrimpy for awhile).

It looks like having 6 people is a big limiting factor, and I'm thinking our best bet as far as cost and practicality is going to be a full size van. We're looking to spend under $20,000, but well under that is, of course, better and would free up more money to spend on the trailer (but safety's the most important thing, so if I need to get an older trailer or one with fewer bells and whistles to get the TV we need, that's what we'll do). We'll be looking for a trailer under 30 feet that will sleep all of us.

I've been looking at used Ford E350s and at Chevy Expresses (everyone says the Fords are way cheaper, but I'm seeing a huge difference in price in the casual searches I've done so far). I'm seeing plenty of both with low to lowish (under 100,000) miles in the $12-18,000 range.

My questions (one technical and one not)!

1. What exactly do I need to look for/ask about these vans? It looks like the towing capacity for the V8 e350s is 6700, which should be fine (the heaviest trailer I'm looking at right now is a Rockwood Mini Lite 2505s....that one would actually come in fairly close, but I've read that the e350 stated towing capacity is on the low side?). But would I be better off looking for a V10? They're harder to find and the gas mileage would be terrible, of course. (Van will likely be my husband's daily vehicle; he only drives about 6 miles to work...he'd rather hold on to his beloved Camry, but I don't think the gas savings would justify an extra insurance payment--plus it's one more thing to find room for in the garage/driveway). Is a tow package standard/common or is that going to be a big issue when I'm looking?

What else am I missing?

2. Just how uncomfortable are those bench seats going to be for the kids on long road trips? My husband's a teacher, so we're hoping to do a lot of long summer trips in the next few years. We have one in a carseat and one in a booster (he'll be out of it within a year, though, I'd guess), but everyone else just has to sit on the hard seats. Is having more comfortable seats installed a reasonable thing do to, price wise?

Thoughts? Thanks in advance!

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  • I will offer my thoughts, after just selling my 2500HD and replacing with a Chevy Express 3500.

    I was only looking at GM vans. I was looking at 2011 and newer, to have the 6sp transmission. I was looking for a 3500, so that I would have over 3000lb payload. I also really wanted an Express/Savana LT that was totally loaded. The 6.0 V8 was required, and I preferred power mirrors, G80 locking rear axle, backup camera, backup sensors, Onstar, tow package, 12 passenger, power seats, CD radio with USB, and bluetooth.

    I looked for several months on cars.com and autotrader. Very few "retail" vehicles exist. Most start life at a rental company. I quickly determined that the combination of equipment did not exist. So I prioritized my list, and the 2014 Express 3500 was sent to Enterprise with power mirrors, backup camera, backup sensors, and power drivers seat.

    So I ended up with a certified preowned Express. You can find them for under $25k with under 30k miles. You get 12 months / 12k miles of bumper-to-bumper warranty.

    I installed a class 5 hitch, and my Prodigy P3 brake controller.

    So far my daughters like the ability to sit without touching their sisters. My fuel mpg is 1 better than the Silverado. The vehicle is easy to drive, and easier to park than the 2500HD. I will know more on how it tows after July.
  • Naio wrote:
    kokotg wrote:


    I've been looking at used Ford E350s and at Chevy Expresses... I'm seeing plenty of both with low to lowish (under 100,000) miles in the $12-18,000 range.


    What the heck is going on with those prices? I paid $3500 for my van, with 105k, zero rust, clean mechanic inspection, and all the bells and whistles (rear AC, etc., etc.).


    I don't think you are in a 1 ton commercial vehicle, like the OP is looking for. OP needs cargo and towing capacity.
  • Naio wrote:
    kokotg wrote:


    I've been looking at used Ford E350s and at Chevy Expresses... I'm seeing plenty of both with low to lowish (under 100,000) miles in the $12-18,000 range.


    What the heck is going on with those prices? I paid $3500 for my van, with 105k, zero rust, clean mechanic inspection, and all the bells and whistles (rear AC, etc., etc.).


    lol--that's good to hear! I'll keep looking then :) (I've just been poking around online so far...I'm not a huge rush, so I can hold out for a good deal)
  • APT wrote:

    Getting 8k+ tow rating will allow to look at larger RVs. That Rockwoood 2505 looks pretty good for sleeping arrangements for a family of 6, but you need to consider storage and living a family of 6 for rainy days. I do not see where my family or 5 would keep all the pots/pans/cooking stuff/food as well as clothes for a long weekend at the beach, let alone a week long trip. I highly recommend the Outback 301. It is no longer made, but they are well made and a great floorplan. It was on our list to upgraded TTs until we decided to hold onto ours longer.


    Thanks, APT--I'll take a look at them! yeah, rainy days and storage are definitely on my mind. We're trying to find a balance between those issues and getting something small enough that we're not totally intimidated by it. Might be best to go with cheap/used for our first try in case we don't get it right and want to switch it up in a year or two.
  • Naio's avatar
    Naio
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    kokotg wrote:


    I've been looking at used Ford E350s and at Chevy Expresses... I'm seeing plenty of both with low to lowish (under 100,000) miles in the $12-18,000 range.


    What the heck is going on with those prices? I paid $3500 for my van, with 105k, zero rust, clean mechanic inspection, and all the bells and whistles (rear AC, etc., etc.).
  • Dakota98 wrote:
    kokotg wrote:


    It looks like having 6 people is a big limiting factor.

    We'll be looking for a trailer under 30 feet that will sleep all of us.

    What else am I missing?



    Learn & understand the difference between "Payload capacity" & "Towing capacity"

    As I've seen stated on the Forum before, What you can tow & what you can carry are two different things.


    That's the main reason I'm looking at vans as opposed to, say, Suburbans. It looks to me like the lowest payload capacity in the e350s is around 2700 lbs. If we can't get the payload capacity we need with a full size van, I'm not sure we have many options left....
  • I do not know much about vans, but I'll throw out my simplistic approach anyways. Watch the payload figures (which I am assuming are higher on those types of HD vans than 1/2 ton p/u trucks). But with 6 people you will be maybe around 900 pounds or so + 500-700 pounds of hitch weight, you will be around 1,500 pounds - before all your gear is loaded. Something to definitely thing about.
  • kokotg wrote:


    It looks like having 6 people is a big limiting factor.

    We'll be looking for a trailer under 30 feet that will sleep all of us.

    What else am I missing?



    Learn & understand the difference between "Payload capacity" & "Towing capacity"

    As I've seen stated on the Forum before, What you can tow & what you can carry are two different things.
  • Seats: some people take out the bench seats and install 4-8 buckets. While I do prefer bucket seats in general, I also appreciate benches for the kids to rest while traveling.

    If you want the Ford, get the 6.8L V10. It offers far more power while using the same amount of fuel in such heavy vehicles and towing. For GM, get something with the 6.0L/6-spd trans, which is around 2010+. Again, good power and best non-towing fuel economy outside of a diesel. That will get you all the required towing hardware except possibly brake controller for more like 8-10k pounds.

    Getting 8k+ tow rating will allow to look at larger RVs. That Rockwoood 2505 looks pretty good for sleeping arrangements for a family of 6, but you need to consider storage and living a family of 6 for rainy days. I do not see where my family or 5 would keep all the pots/pans/cooking stuff/food as well as clothes for a long weekend at the beach, let alone a week long trip. I highly recommend the Outback 301. It is no longer made, but they are well made and a great floorplan. It was on our list to upgraded TTs until we decided to hold onto ours longer.