CAFE stds on the chopping block

Besides they aren't banned in CA.

Maybe not in Ca as a whole but in many cites in Ca they are. Big fine to burn a cow in many cites. :E

NRALIFR wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
No one is against common sense regulations. It's just that with anything connected to the government there is no common sense! To bad in four years everything the POUS has done will be undone with the click of a pen. Just like it is being done now.

As far as "at what cost" hahaha silly rabbit it's the Unions fault....it's always the unions fault!

Don

Well, that's the problem with bypassing congress, forcing change down the country's throat with a pen and a phone, and giving powerful federal agencies the ability to implement a myriad of rules and regulations that affect our daily lives. As soon as there's a change of power, as just happened, the former majority is going to find out what a pen and a phone tastes like. I don't like it, but that's the way things seem to be.

Unfortunately, everything seems to be dominated by the most extreme groups on both sides of the isle. Our legislative processes weren't designed to be speedy and efficient. Becoming impatient with the process and taking an "ends justifies the means" approach to governing will never produce lasting change. It tends to just produce social upheaval, which in the end is self-destructive.

:):)

Nothing will change until people are elected to do what is best for the country and not just the bureaucrats and elites!

The current situation will just change how we are taken advantage of. As they put some more change in your front pockets they will steal your wallet out of your back pocket.

MARKW8 wrote:
Maybe we can even see the Cuyahoga River to burn again.

Mark

Yea, so we can push granny off the cliff into a burning river.

NJRVer wrote:

agesilaus wrote:

NJRVer wrote:
40 years ago the auto companies complained they couldn't meet standards.
Then 30 years ago they complained they couldn't meet standards.
Then 20 years ago they complained they couldn't meet standards.


Guess what? They met them and they are still here.

Yes but do you think that auto manufacturers can continue to sell Pickups, especially HD Pickups and other large SUV type vehicles and still achieve a 54 miles per gallon fleet average.

It's not physically possible. They'd have to drop large vehicles from their product list. And how many small vehicles today come remotely close to 54 mpg? I think the diesel Rabbit was up there but did VW do it honestly?

I could probably dig through old news stories and find the same quotes, but they actually managed to meet them.

It's not a question of if they can achieve the goal but more of a question of what will we as a consumer have to give up or pay for this achievement.

The automakers have proven that they can get the exhaust clean. Look at the tailpipes of the new diesels. So why have such an unrealistic goal for fuel economy? Why not just set a goal of burning no fuel? The auto manufacturers know that there are people that want the most fuel efficiency so they will always compete to better that but there are also people like me that put power and capability first and then just try to get the best economy out of what I have.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
No one is against common sense regulations. It's just that with anything connected to the government there is no common sense! To bad in four years everything the POUS has done will be undone with the click of a pen. Just like it is being done now.

As far as "at what cost" hahaha silly rabbit it's the Unions fault....it's always the unions fault!

Don

Well, that's the problem with bypassing congress, forcing change down the country's throat with a pen and a phone, and giving powerful federal agencies the ability to implement a myriad of rules and regulations that affect our daily lives. As soon as there's a change of power, as just happened, the former majority is going to find out what a pen and a phone tastes like. I don't like it, but that's the way things seem to be.

Unfortunately, everything seems to be dominated by the most extreme groups on both sides of the isle. Our legislative processes weren't designed to be speedy and efficient. Becoming impatient with the process and taking an "ends justifies the means" approach to governing will never produce lasting change. It tends to just produce social upheaval, which in the end is self-destructive.

:):)

Might be a dumb question, but I am curious as to how a completely electric vehicle's mpg is figured into the fleet average?

No one is against common sense regulations. It's just that with anything connected to the government there is no common sense! To bad in four years everything the POUS has done will be undone with the click of a pen. Just like it is being done now.

As far as "at what cost" hahaha silly rabbit it's the Unions fault....it's always the unions fault!

Don

mtofell1 wrote:
It's frustrating because no matter what we do as a nation we are only a very small fraction of the world (despite what many of us think). Until we can get the whole world to make changes it's tough to see the point. I realize that is somewhat short sighted but it's just reality.

I agree the standards off in the future were far too much but it has resulted in some great improvements over the last 10 years with respect to fuel economy. Hell, I can get 15MPG in my 7500# gas HD truck. Typing that on a message board 15 years ago would have been flamed and laughed at.

So, without being pushed would the automakers inherently do this much to improve economy? Perhaps, but my guess is not to the level that they have been.

All the political posturing and taking sides is not for this site. Keep it out and this thread has a chance of being a good discussion.

"Americans constitute 5% of the world's population but consume 24% of the world's energy. The population is projected to increase by nearly 130 million people - the equivalent of adding another four states the size of California - by the year 2050."

Maybe we can even see the Cuyahoga River to burn again.

Mark

agesilaus wrote:
What do CAFE stds have to do with Smog anyway. That is dealt with by catalytic converters and by DEF systems on diesels. And in California by banning backyard barbeques....Heh. Air quality has been fixed in most of the country, the problem is that enviros refuse to admit that is the case since hysteria = money to them.

OH CR&P! Am I breaking the law now when we BBQ our steaks. OH!, I guess not, my BBQ is on the side of the house. Besides they aren't banned in CA.