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Walaby
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Jun 14, 2015

Calculated tow capability... Disappointed

So, in my search for the TT that the wife and I want, I've been diligently trying to calculate GVWR, GAWR, Traier capacity etc.. etc...I've read quite a bit, and I thought I would be okay with my tow vehicle, for the trailer I was looking at, but now I think Im on the edge.

I have a 2011 GMC Sierra 1500 with the tow package, HD cooling etc.. Max trailer weight is 9600 lbs, total GCWR is 15,000. Trucks GVWR is 6800 lbs. Max Weight for Cargo and people on the tire sticker is 1507. Front axle max is 3650, rear axle max is 3950

Took my truck to the scales today, to see what it actually weighed, with full of fuel and two occupants in it. Because of the configuration of the scales, the weight I got was just with one occupant in it. I was standing outside talking to tech on the speaker. So,

Front Axle: 3360
Rear Axle:" 2320
Total: 5680

Occupant inside weighed 200. So, that number, if taken off the total makes total 5480, which means my max cargo and people can't be more than 1320 (less than the 1507 on the tire sticker)... Okay, fine. Or second scenario, assuming single occupant will be with me, and go with 5680, that only leaves 1120 of weight left for cargo (and me).

To keep things as accurate as possible, I will assume the 200 will be there for one occupant. That leaves 1120. I weigh 240

1120-240 = 880 for remaining cargo capacity, to accommodate WD hitch and tongue weight.

Assuming WD hitch weighs 100 = leaves 780

Assuming 12% of trailer weight= tongue weight, that leaves me approx 6500 max trailer weight, loaded (6500 x 12% = 780 lbs)

The trailer I was very keen on is the Jayco 27RLS, which has a dry weight of 6030, and a max of 8600. Obviously no one tows dry. But, that only allows me about 800 lbs of weight in the trailer before I exceed my max truck cargo capacity.

Did I miss anything in my analysis? I know the fact that the truck can pull a 9600 trailer is only one small aspect. I know that all these different calculations have to be taken into consideration to ensure I do not exceed truck cargo capacity. Kinda disappointing because I didn't want to buy a new truck, but I sure don't want to be on the edge with everything.

Im trying to get as much info as I can in order to make the right decision on the TT. So, if I need to look at things differently, I'd appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks

Mike

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  • Understand the WD hitch will distribute some weight back to the trailer. Just don't know how to calculate that impact without hooking up the trailer and weighing it.

    Understand also that GAWR may be more important than GVWR, but I really don't want to exceed either. Maybe I could go slightly above GVWR, but would rather save that extra margin for the double cheeseburger Im eating down the road (grin). Yes, tires have a play in it. I bought this truck used, and I am sure they are not the original tires. THey are decent tires, but maybe not best for towing. Prob need to eval that too.

    I think in the end, I could look for a lighter trailer/smaller trailer, but the wife and I have been looking for six months now, and we are interested in the larger, more roomy TT's. Lighter ones in the size we want just don't seem to have the quality I would hope for. I think in the end, BenK's comment "The ability to manhandle the setup if Mr Murphy crosses your path will become an issue, IMHO" is a critical factor.

    Mike
  • Walaby wrote:
    snip...

    I have a 2011 GMC Sierra 1500 with the tow package, HD cooling etc..

    Max trailer weight is 9600 lbs


    Meaningless...unless you own the stripper model (curb) with no
    options other than the tow option and you weigh in at 150lbs

    The generic formula is:

    GCWR => TV + TT + cargo/payload/WD Hitch/etc





    total GCWR is 15,000.


    This is a good number and high for most REGULAR half tons

    Proof of curb/stripper used to derive the MTWR

    15,000 - 9,600 = 5,400 is the weight of the TV they used toi
    derive that 9,600 MTWR

    You are ok with the TV's weight, but will be in RGAWR issue once
    the trailers tongue & cargo & WD Hitch weight are added





    Trucks GVWR is 6800 lbs.


    Half tons range from low 6K GVWRs up to 8K GVWR.

    Yours is on the low side of regular half tons





    Max Weight for Cargo and people on the tire sticker is 1507.

    Front axle max is 3650, rear axle max is 3950


    Example of next higher class TVs

    +4K FGAWR
    +6K RGAWR...about 2,000 lbs more than most regular half ton RGAWR
    some even higher in the +7K RGAWR and some even higher yet

    Since most all TV's will have their load/cargo/tongue/etc placed
    behind the center point of wheel base...most of the added weight
    goes onto the rear axle



    snip...


    It truly is NOT any ONE rating, but them all in concert down to
    the limiting weak link in the food chain down to pavement....that
    then goes back to ONE rating that becomes that weak link

    You 'can' do it, but struggle and reduce the longevity of your TV

    The ability to manhandle the setup if Mr Murphy crosses your path
    will become an issue, IMHO
  • I second the axle rating comment, and the tires. Although if you've got the heavy duty tow package wouldn't that include decent tires?
  • You are not taking out the weight the WDH hitch distributes back to the trailer.
  • Remember your wd hitch will transfer some tongue weight back to the trailer. The weakest link on 1500s is typically the tires. I'm always aware of my GVWR on my half ton truck, but I pay much closer attention to the GAWR. I think you'll be OK with those numbers. It wouldn't scare me off.
  • ScottG wrote:
    You might try another scale.
    I've been to so-called "certified" scales that said my truck weighed nearly a thousand pounds more than it actually does.

    Yeah, kinda wondered about that. I know I was evenly spread across the scale to get front and rear axle weights as well. It is a CAT scale, so I "assume" it is accurate, but I guess I'd have to find another to make sure. Have to search where another one is at.

    Im not opposed to selling truck and buying one with more cargo capacity. I just didn't think I would run into this so far below the max trailer capacity. Guess two little scrawny, anorexic passengers would be a lot better. Unfortunately, we are neither of those.
  • Well it looks like you've got another hundred or so if you go by your rear axle rating but you've got it pegged pretty well. There's not much play with half tons so the stated max tow ratings are pretty deceiving once you plug in real world scenarios. I don't know what kind of tires you've got but you could beef them up and add timbrens I guess, or just go get a heavier truck. To me when your trailer weights get in the 8000 range it's time to think about something bigger than a half ton. Granted where I live there are a lot more and bigger mountains than the southeast so maybe you could push it more.
  • Good thing you do not want a 5w, with 25% you would be limited to about 2400 lbs of trailer!

    at the end of the day, you have hit all the issues with towing with many trucks, including higher gvwr rigs too!

    At the end of the day, if you want the trailer you have looked at, you will need a truck with more payload. Usually payload is the BIG issues, not towing power. 30 yrs ago, power was as big an issue as payload needs. Today, most trucks have more than enough power to pull trailers adequately if kept with in limits.

    Marty
  • You might try another scale.
    I've been to so-called "certified" scales that said my truck weighed nearly a thousand pounds more than it actually does.