Chevrolet exits all ICE production by 2035

Sounds like GM is doing it’s best to go bankrupt again. Mary is chalked full of great ideas!

There’s probably a better way to power vehicles. Is it electric? Don’t know. I know this, you could electrify every vehicle on the planet and it would have a relatively small impact on pollution. Electricity production and manufacturing in China and India are major sources of pollution. If the goal of electrification of vehicles is to curb pollution, then it’s a relatively poor strategy.

Electric powered vehicles are rock stars...instant full torque, no need waiting until 3,500 rpm for power. Good stuff...but yeah, I would need to spend many times more to get a truck with a battery big enough to tow my 5’er 300 miles before charging...and that truck doesn’t exist yet. Hmmm...my $30k gasser HD or $100k+ for an electric truck.

Also, no one talks about the pollution involved with mining the materials to make batteries or the proper disposal of those batteries. I suppose technology will be developed to handle that stuff better in the future.

Solar is great here in Florida...but the payback for me is well over ten years, and given a life of maybe 20 years....hmmm. And I’ll sell my house before then. What would be cool would be a system that allows private people to share solar power, making up shortfalls on one house with excess from another instead of selling it back to the power company for a fraction of what it cost to generate it. But keep in mind, even if you reduce demand on the grid through solar, you still need enough capacity on the generation side to cover demand for rare events and you still need backup plants on line. You can’t just shut down power plants and expect solar and Tesla power walls to meet all your needs.

goducks10 wrote:

BCSnob wrote:
We got 3 Christmas cards 1.5 months after the postmark date; I doubt EV postal vehicles will make delivery’s slower. Pony Express would have been faster.

Well there's no De Joy in that. :)
I think the new Admin will make the necessary changes to bring the USPS back to normal.

LMAO... You mean Uncle Joe

Reisender wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
I have couple of questions for everybody whining and crying about how the US will never accept E vehicles, solar/wind power, never work for us, we can't change, or if we do change not that fast yada, yada yada.
First, do you remember before it was discovered Freon was destroying the atmosphere? The world is ending! No R12! How can we drive with no AC?! But when we could not get R12, we fixed the AC instead of adding a can. I bet a higher % of cars on the road now have working AC.
Now the major deal; Man or countries, when faced with change, there are 2 choices. Lead or follow but get out of the way. If the rest of the world makes the change what happens to US? Will the rest decide the US has nothing to export but pollution and hate, and refuse to trade with us?

I hear ya. I think there will be challenges ahead for the US on this. I'm not an American but I read constantly on the forums here and various news sources that the US pretty much has a third world grid and very little chance of ever improving it because of some kind of geo-political struggle. I would think though at some point many that are able to will just toss in the towel on connecting to the grid and make their own power. That in itself would probably kind of solve the problem as the utilities can stay with the third world grid approach and many will just become self sufficient with solar and wind. It would probably work.


No idea really. Just conjecture.

About the grid issues; IMHO, they could be reduced if people could agree that there are things that are common good, and should be invested in.
I think everybody that visits this sight has some interest in traveling on the highways. I also understand the only reason the word "history" is not auto replaced by ****** is it has too many letters. But if you hunt for it there is a great travel story from over 100 years ago, by a fairly young man that had traveled in Europe under war conditions, then traveled with a group of men and vehicles across the United States. The story goes the problems he encountered on that trip caused him, when he became president, to work to unite the country to build a "Interstate highway system for commerce and defense" which we all use for our RVs.
Some call the generation before Boomers The greatest generation because of the world challenges they united to meet for common good. Our generation? If it ain't good for me it must be bad.

deltabravo wrote:

patperry2766 wrote:
Chevy exits ICE engines

Old news. Already posted in this closed thread: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle

That was the point of my deja vu post.

patperry2766 wrote:
Chevy exits ICE engines

Old news. Already posted in this closed thread: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle

RoyJ wrote:

Lantley wrote:

wildtoad wrote:
I wonder how earthmovers, or other very large construction machines will be adapted to work on battery, how many hours will the operate and just as important how long will it take to recharge them, especially out in the middle of Nebraska. EVs are the future for personal transportation, but the need for ICE’s is here for a long time.

Electric construction equipment is being developed as we speak
Electric Construction equipment

Heavy mining excavators have had electric powered models for a few years now. Big difference - they are corded, with 3 phase primary voltage feed.

I think this Cat will fill a niche market, where there's a load of idling (trenching, etc.). In a production environment of loading dump trucks, the engine runs nearly 100% duty cycle.

At 122 kW and 300 kWh, we're talking maybe 3 hours before recharging.

By no means am I claiming they have it all figured out as we speak.
On the other hand a lot of thinking and development can happen in 14 years.

Lantley wrote:

wildtoad wrote:
I wonder how earthmovers, or other very large construction machines will be adapted to work on battery, how many hours will the operate and just as important how long will it take to recharge them, especially out in the middle of Nebraska. EVs are the future for personal transportation, but the need for ICE’s is here for a long time.

Electric construction equipment is being developed as we speak
Electric Construction equipment

Heavy mining excavators have had electric powered models for a few years now. Big difference - they are corded, with 3 phase primary voltage feed.

I think this Cat will fill a niche market, where there's a load of idling (trenching, etc.). In a production environment of loading dump trucks, the engine runs nearly 100% duty cycle.

At 122 kW and 300 kWh, we're talking maybe 3 hours before recharging.

JRscooby wrote:
I have couple of questions for everybody whining and crying about how the US will never accept E vehicles, solar/wind power, never work for us, we can't change, or if we do change not that fast yada, yada yada.
First, do you remember before it was discovered Freon was destroying the atmosphere? The world is ending! No R12! How can we drive with no AC?! But when we could not get R12, we fixed the AC instead of adding a can. I bet a higher % of cars on the road now have working AC.
Now the major deal; Man or countries, when faced with change, there are 2 choices. Lead or follow but get out of the way. If the rest of the world makes the change what happens to US? Will the rest decide the US has nothing to export but pollution and hate, and refuse to trade with us?

I hear ya. I think there will be challenges ahead for the US on this. I'm not an American but I read constantly on the forums here and various news sources that the US pretty much has a third world grid and very little chance of ever improving it because of some kind of geo-political struggle. I would think though at some point many that are able to will just toss in the towel on connecting to the grid and make their own power. That in itself would probably kind of solve the problem as the utilities can stay with the third world grid approach and many will just become self sufficient with solar and wind. It would probably work.


No idea really. Just conjecture.

I have couple of questions for everybody whining and crying about how the US will never accept E vehicles, solar/wind power, never work for us, we can't change, or if we do change not that fast yada, yada yada.
First, do you remember before it was discovered Freon was destroying the atmosphere? The world is ending! No R12! How can we drive with no AC?! But when we could not get R12, we fixed the AC instead of adding a can. I bet a higher % of cars on the road now have working AC.
Now the major deal; Man or countries, when faced with change, there are 2 choices. Lead or follow but get out of the way. If the rest of the world makes the change what happens to US? Will the rest decide the US has nothing to export but pollution and hate, and refuse to trade with us?

goducks10 wrote:

BCSnob wrote:
We got 3 Christmas cards 1.5 months after the postmark date; I doubt EV postal vehicles will make delivery’s slower. Pony Express would have been faster.

Well there's no De Joy in that. :)
I think the new Admin will make the necessary changes to bring the USPS back to normal.

Tell me about it. Mailed my property tax check on a Saturday before pickup time and needed to be postmarked by Monday. Was postmarked on Tuesday, cost me the 3% full payment discount plus penalty.