rhagfo wrote:
RoyBell wrote:
rhagfo wrote:
Lwiddis wrote:
I agree with Roy. Stay real world when discussing weight.
Would be nice if Roy did also most 5ers are closer to 20 of total weight.
So .20 X 9,500=1,900#.
I'd be curious to see how many people actually weighed their pin weights vs taking the manufacturers claim. One thing to keep in mind is that the front storage bunk pretty much puts all the weight on the pin and very little on the axles due to the placement. It's easy to throw 400 lbs of "stuff" in the front storage which will eat that 5 percent up pretty quickly. Then you fill up your propane tanks and anything else at the front of the rig and I would say 25 percent is a much safer number to follow.
I will ask if you own a fiver?
The location of a 5ers basement will usually place less than 50 of the weight of items added to the basement on to the pin at least half goes on to the axles.
I fight to get my pin up to 20 with a full 8' wide closet at the nose and the basement.
I actually find the best ride with our 5er, is with the FW full which in forward of the axles.
As to 5th wheels and 5ers, in three years of Park Hosting I have seen it all. Most of the 150/1500/Tundras do very well.
Even if over GVWR, if withing axle and tire Far SAFER than that same TV pulling a long TT.
Keystone has an X-Light that is 32'+ long and has a GVWR of 10,000# well within the pulling capacity of a EB 150, and if Max Payload likely with in axle, and maybe GVWR.
Not that I recommenced towing over GVWR, just that my knowledge of physics sees it as safer than a 35' TT weighing 8,500# wagging the dog!
I do not have a fiver. I do have a couple that I like and they are in the 25 range for pin.
Again, payload is only half of the story. Axle and GVWR are other factors. Also, lets not forget how overall vehicle weight affects pulling a trailer. Once I moved into a 2500 and my TV weight went to almost 8K lbs my "scary" bumper pull trailer is hardly noticeable now. I definitely noticed it with my Tundra, even with the high tow ratings it had. Once you add vehicle weight, the whole towing experience is improved. Every one says the 5th wheels are so nice to tow in comparison. I am sure they are, but bumper pulls with the right setup are a breeze to tow too.
My brother in law thinks their SantaFe can pull this little 6K lb TT he keeps lusting over because they are "cross over tow capable". I keep telling him no way is that happening but he argues all the time that it the signs say it will be ok.
