I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is. I don't think my sister's Expedition is any more of a real SUV than my wife's Pilot. It's body on frame and RWD biased versus unibody and FWD biased, but they drive pretty much the same, both have independent suspensions on both ends as well as limited ground clearance and poor approach/departure angles (I'd guess the Expedition is worse in that regard). Neither is going to get very far off-road with much success but both can handle reasonably poor forest service roads fairly well and snow/ice very well. The Expedition can tow a little more than the Pilot but both are a joke compared to my truck in that regard. Towing aside, they're both well suited as family vehicles in the Northwest where we live. Subarus are extremely popular in this part of the country too, with good reason.