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wanderingaimlessly wrote:
I still cant see the EV taking over, folks who want to tow a trailer up to Canada or the Yukon will be shut off by the fuel requirement.
High up front cost, for a vehicle which inherently limits the ways it can be used.
Someday maybe, but a Mr Fusion from Back to the future is still the best choice for a clean running vehicle. Maybe in another 50 years.
Agreed. Short term I think you are bang on. A decade out though I doubt it. Cost parity for passenger cars will be by 2023. Cost parity for premium high performance sports sedans is already now. But a truck is anybodies guess. I think we’ll know more in a few years. Battery tech is changing so fast. Charging infrastructure too. My guess is there will be a DCFC route to Alaska and the Yukon within three to 4 years. Probably both Petrocan and Tesla. There are already 3 Chademo/CCS stations in the Yukon. Now they just have to close the gap.- I still cant see the EV taking over, folks who want to tow a trailer up to Canada or the Yukon will be shut off by the fuel requirement.
High up front cost, for a vehicle which inherently limits the ways it can be used.
Someday maybe, but a Mr Fusion from Back to the future is still the best choice for a clean running vehicle. Maybe in another 50 years. time2roll wrote:
K Charles wrote:
Where do you find a utility that is even 50% coal?
If most of the charging stations get their power from coal is it still zero pollution?
Coal plants are dropping like flies. Even if you found such a place it won't be for long.
And for the OP I don't see this ladder rack being used much by actual contractors. Need to start with a open frame rear to add a custom integrated tool box. Maybe it will work for a salesperson or architect that works around construction sites.
This was an interesting read on the power maker in the US. In Canada coal is in its last decade with national make up already down at 8 percent 2020. In Britain it’s in the last 3 years as it’s all but gone now. Natural gas is turning out to be a cleaner and less expensive alternative in many regions. Wind and solar are great fits for some areas and not so much for others.
It will be an interesting decade.K Charles wrote:
Where do you find a utility that is even 50% coal?
If most of the charging stations get their power from coal is it still zero pollution?
Coal plants are dropping like flies. Even if you found such a place it won't be for long.
And for the OP I don't see this ladder rack being used much by actual contractors. Need to start with a open frame rear to add a custom integrated tool box. Maybe it will work for a salesperson or architect that works around construction sites.Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
My personal opinion is Megachargers will be at trucking depots only. Like Walmart etc. As far as time at a Supercharger. Most model 3 or model Y stops at V3 Superchargers are closer to 15 minutes. Mostly because most people stop every few hours for a break and just plug in while they walk the dog, pee, have a snack.
(Model x and model s charge slower although that may change this summer).
Tesla postponed their much anticipated Battery Day to mid or late May from supposedly this month.
It's all rumor now until Tesla comes with official specs but the excitement is all about new technology for longer range and shorter re-charging turn around time.
Focus is on official range for the semi and the Cybertruck with Tesla's habit of constant improvement while on the development of new launches. Everyone and his brother say any new features of the coming launches will cascade to Tesla's downstream models as their usual practice given as an upgrade for current owners.
Short answer is I don't know really. It's Wild Wild West out there in Tesla (Official) Owners' Forum with techies, hypes, speculators and tarot card readers. But some are spot on specially those who bother and got the skills to do reverse engineering of Tesla's newly released software that some says gives a hint of upcoming development -- already in the software but Tesla has not yet activated.
Well, we have been driving EV's for about 5 years. Other than the diesel pusher they are our only transport method. They are not suited to everybodies needs in all conditions but they have been great for us. I have no doubt that the battery tech in my wifes model 3 will be outdated in a year. It was the same with our first generation leaf which still serves me well as my daily commuter. Technology moves fast. We are lucky though. Up until recently we rarely went on a trip of more than 300 km without using the motorhome. That has changed and it is why she got a model 3 as now that number is closer to 740 km. So a perfect fit for a model 3 AWD.
Even before Covid 19 EV's were great because the vast majority of charging was done at home and you never had to touch a gas pump. Now its even more important. If you are the only person using your garage charger you never have to worry about what kind of person used the gas pump before you.
Just sayin...its a thing. :)
Reisender wrote:
My personal opinion is Megachargers will be at trucking depots only. Like Walmart etc. As far as time at a Supercharger. Most model 3 or model Y stops at V3 Superchargers are closer to 15 minutes. Mostly because most people stop every few hours for a break and just plug in while they walk the dog, pee, have a snack.
(Model x and model s charge slower although that may change this summer).
Tesla postponed their much anticipated Battery Day to mid or late May from supposedly this month.
It's all rumor now until Tesla comes with official specs but the excitement is all about new technology for longer range and shorter re-charging turn around time.
Focus is on official range for the semi and the Cybertruck with Tesla's habit of constant improvement while on the development of new launches. Everyone and his brother say any new features of the coming launches will cascade to Tesla's downstream models as their usual practice given as an upgrade for current owners.
Short answer is I don't know really. It's Wild Wild West out there in Tesla (Official) Owners' Forum with techies, hypes, speculators and tarot card readers. But some are spot on specially those who bother and got the skills to do reverse engineering of Tesla's newly released software that some says gives a hint of upcoming development -- already in the software but Tesla has not yet activated.Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Whoa @Reisender, those are impressive posts and analysis.
Yeah, we've seen the same in California. In fact the state now requires all new houses to have solar panels as source of electricity. Hospitals, schools, company garages... etc. would have solar panels.
Western states have targets of 2035 to 2045 to have 100% of their electricity needs coming from renewables.
Yup, gas stations too are starting to have charging stations. And it's obiguitous in malls and commercial centers.
I wonder though what happened to Elon Musk's proposals to share access (for a fee) to other EV manufacturers and to have a common standards for all stations for this access.
That was being discussed awhile ago on TMC. From what I gather the offer still stands but no one has stepped up to the plate with the cash yet. Having said that CCS and Chademo sites are starting to build out fast now world wide. Tesla’s Supercharger advantage is easy billing and high speed. CCS and Chademo are gaining ground rapidly in the speed area but the vast majority of EV’s that are not Tesla can only charge at a 70 KW rate whereas Tesla V3 Super chargers are 250 KW and something like a model 3 and model Y can actually charge that fast. Other networks like EVgo are actually adding Tesla cables though. So far just in California but I think in a year from now most of these other companies will be putting Tesla hoses on their DCFC stations. If they dont they are missing the biggest batch of customers.
I really wonder what's keeping them to take the Tesla offer.
The plan if I'm still updated is to make their Superchargers standard in their stations.
And now talking of Megachargers for soon to be released semis and possibly Cybertruck.
Tesla is targeting 80 to 90% charging turn-around of 30 minutes.
My personal opinion is Megachargers will be at trucking depots only. Like Walmart etc. As far as time at a Supercharger. Most model 3 or model Y stops at V3 Superchargers are closer to 15 minutes. Mostly because most people stop every few hours for a break and just plug in while they walk the dog, pee, have a snack.
(Model x and model s charge slower although that may change this summer).valhalla360 wrote:
A lot of back and forth but I already said...works fine when it's a tiny percentage of sites.
But the goal of the eco-crowd is to make EVs the standard, so determining what happens when they get above 10% of users, is a big deal.
A single charging station isn't stressing the systems at a 200 site park and it's easy for the owner to shut it down if the system is being overloaded. If you ramp it up to even 25% of users, it will have to be charging at the site and that's a much bigger challenge.
Yeah, I don't mean to be parochial into personalizing the issue for my own self interest.
But indeed, there will be challenges for campers who own EVs as we normally camp on off-beaten tracks. This is not a problem for those who use main highways as charging stations, specially for Tesla, is already everywhere that range insecurity is no longer a concern.
As I mentioned, national parks with those remote locations will even be the last to provide the facility. Woe me as I'm a public park camper.:EReisender wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Whoa @Reisender, those are impressive posts and analysis.
Yeah, we've seen the same in California. In fact the state now requires all new houses to have solar panels as source of electricity. Hospitals, schools, company garages... etc. would have solar panels.
Western states have targets of 2035 to 2045 to have 100% of their electricity needs coming from renewables.
Yup, gas stations too are starting to have charging stations. And it's obiguitous in malls and commercial centers.
I wonder though what happened to Elon Musk's proposals to share access (for a fee) to other EV manufacturers and to have a common standards for all stations for this access.
That was being discussed awhile ago on TMC. From what I gather the offer still stands but no one has stepped up to the plate with the cash yet. Having said that CCS and Chademo sites are starting to build out fast now world wide. Tesla’s Supercharger advantage is easy billing and high speed. CCS and Chademo are gaining ground rapidly in the speed area but the vast majority of EV’s that are not Tesla can only charge at a 70 KW rate whereas Tesla V3 Super chargers are 250 KW and something like a model 3 and model Y can actually charge that fast. Other networks like EVgo are actually adding Tesla cables though. So far just in California but I think in a year from now most of these other companies will be putting Tesla hoses on their DCFC stations. If they dont they are missing the biggest batch of customers.
I really wonder what's keeping them to take the Tesla offer.
The plan if I'm still updated is to make their Superchargers standard in their stations.
And now talking of Megachargers for soon to be released semis and possibly Cybertruck.
Tesla is targeting 80 to 90% charging turn-around of 30 minutes.- I would hate to see the insurance premiums for a company that has those solar panels on their car ports around here. In South Texas, it will hail two or three times a year in spotty areas. I remember driving by a solar field on my way to work one day after a hail storm last year. Just about everyone of them looked like they needed to be replaced.
San Antonio, Texas – A Hotspot For Hailstorms?
