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Feb 18, 2018

Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?

Diesel engines are popular in domestic 3/4 and 1 ton pick up trucks. They are becoming popular in North America and are offered in more lighter duty pickup trucks than before ...the Ram 1500, Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon, 2019 Ford F 150....and the 2019 Chevy/GMC 1500 series pickup trucks.

Mileage improvement, towing etc. are some of the benefits.

In Europe a good chunk of the sedans, SUV's/CUV's are offered with optional diesel engines and consumers buy them in significant numbers.

Why are diesel engines not optionally available in the bulk of sedans/SUV's/CUV's sold in North America ? I would think there would be a ready market for these diesel powered vehicles here.
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  • RobertRyan's avatar
    RobertRyan
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    Feb 24, 2018
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    LowRyter wrote:
    Pretty amazing how Hyundai/Kia have really upped the tech game in a short amount of time.

    Not only them but a lot of the Europeans as well. It reminds me of the early days of the Computer revolution when a company or a new company brought out a innovative product seemingly every week
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    RobertRyan
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    Feb 24, 2018
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    brulaz wrote:
    ShinerBock wrote:
    Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

    2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

    As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.


    Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

    So I'll believe that when I see it.

    Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.

    Hyundai have diesel Vans( Hyundai ILoad 2.5 litre Diesel ) they sell here and are very popular.
    Supposedly Hyundai has a I tonne Pickup to be released also a Diesel
  • ShinerBock's avatar
    ShinerBock
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    Feb 23, 2018
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    brulaz wrote:


    Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

    So I'll believe that when I see it.

    Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.


    It is currently going though finalizing EPA and CARB certifications. Due to the VW scandal, diesel engines are scrutinized even more which makes the process even longer.
  • brulaz's avatar
    brulaz
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    Feb 23, 2018
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    ShinerBock wrote:
    Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

    2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

    As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.


    Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

    So I'll believe that when I see it.

    Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.
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    ppine
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    Feb 23, 2018
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    wilber1 wrote:
    Bedlam wrote:
    DEF after treatment is supposed to knock down the NOx emissions.


    And yet when any of them run afoul of emission regs its because of NOX.

    The only real difference between US and European regs is allowed NOX emissions.


    I used to be in the air quality business. The Europeans have few if any air quality restrictions on vehicles. In the US, the EPA monitors, CO, CO2, HC, NOx, SOx, and several others like evaporation loss.
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    ShinerBock
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    Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

    2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

    As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.
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    wnjj
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    Feb 22, 2018
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    Bedlam wrote:
    How many of you remember when the EPA started messing with gasser emission standards in the 70's? It wasn't just the smog pumps - People were peeved when carburetors were sealed to prevent rejetting or adjustments (you couldn't even get in to clean or rebuild them) and then the first generation of throttle body fuel injection started appearing. This eventually was better than the carburetors it replaced but is still a crude way to deliver fuel. Direct injection will help clean up the gasser, but I wouldn't be surprised to see EGR, DPF or even DEF work its way into the gassers as emissions get more stringent. At some point the complexity of any cleaner burning ICE will become costlier than electric vehicles even if the net emissions are the same or less than an EV.

    Gas engines have had EGR for years...and yes they occasionally are the cause of trouble when the carbon fouls the valve. Wouldn't the other 2 be called GPF and GEF? ;)

    I'm not sure gas engines are all that dirty today but then again we keep moving the needle on what's considered "pollution".
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    wilber1
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    Feb 22, 2018
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    Bedlam wrote:
    DEF after treatment is supposed to knock down the NOx emissions.


    And yet when any of them run afoul of emission regs its because of NOX.

    The only real difference between US and European regs is allowed NOX emissions.
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    Bedlam
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    Feb 22, 2018
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    How many of you remember when the EPA started messing with gasser emission standards in the 70's? It wasn't just the smog pumps - People were peeved when carburetors were sealed to prevent rejetting or adjustments (you couldn't even get in to clean or rebuild them) and then the first generation of throttle body fuel injection started appearing. This eventually was better than the carburetors it replaced but is still a crude way to deliver fuel. Direct injection will help clean up the gasser, but I wouldn't be surprised to see EGR, DPF or even DEF work its way into the gassers as emissions get more stringent. At some point the complexity of any cleaner burning ICE will become costlier than electric vehicles even if the net emissions are the same or less than an EV.

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Mileage improvement, towing etc. are some of the benefits.

In Europe a good chunk of the sedans, SUV's/CUV's are offered with optional diesel engines and consumers buy them in significant numbers.

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LowRyter wrote:
Pretty amazing how Hyundai/Kia have really upped the tech game in a short amount of time.

Not only them but a lot of the Europeans as well. It reminds me of the early days of the Computer revolution when a company or a new company brought out a innovative product seemingly every week","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-02-24T13:47:02.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-02-24T13:47:02.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":207},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2942107/message:2942200","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"336","rawBody":"
LowRyter wrote:
Pretty amazing how Hyundai/Kia have really upped the tech game in a short amount of time.

Not only them but a lot of the Europeans as well. It reminds me of the early days of the Computer revolution when a company or a new company brought out a innovative product seemingly every week","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942200_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:131892":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:131892","uid":131892,"login":"LowRyter","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-01-21T10:38:44.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:131892"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942199":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942199","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942199":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:131892"},"id":"message:2942199","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942199,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942199"},"body":"Pretty amazing how Hyundai/Kia have really upped the tech game in a short amount of time.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"89","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-02-24T08:43:57.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-02-24T08:43:57.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":206},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2942107/message:2942199","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"89","rawBody":"Pretty amazing how Hyundai/Kia have really upped the tech game in a short amount of time.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942199_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942198":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942198","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942198":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:24570"},"id":"message:2942198","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942198,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942198"},"body":"
brulaz wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.


Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

So I'll believe that when I see it.

Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.

Hyundai have diesel Vans( Hyundai ILoad 2.5 litre Diesel ) they sell here and are very popular.
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brulaz wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.


Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

So I'll believe that when I see it.

Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.

Hyundai have diesel Vans( Hyundai ILoad 2.5 litre Diesel ) they sell here and are very popular.
Supposedly Hyundai has a I tonne Pickup to be released also a Diesel","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942198_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:311640":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:311640","uid":311640,"login":"ShinerBock","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-02-22T18:57:54.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:311640"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942197":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942197","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942197":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:311640"},"id":"message:2942197","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942197,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942197"},"body":"
brulaz wrote:


Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

So I'll believe that when I see it.

Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.


It is currently going though finalizing EPA and CARB certifications. Due to the VW scandal, diesel engines are scrutinized even more which makes the process even longer.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-02-23T10:56:03.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-02-23T10:56:03.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":206},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2942107/message:2942197","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"509","rawBody":"
brulaz wrote:


Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

So I'll believe that when I see it.

Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.


It is currently going though finalizing EPA and CARB certifications. Due to the VW scandal, diesel engines are scrutinized even more which makes the process even longer.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942197_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:248535":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:248535","uid":248535,"login":"brulaz","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-02-27T16:01:18.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:248535"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942196":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942196","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942196":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:248535"},"id":"message:2942196","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942196,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942196"},"body":"
ShinerBock wrote:
Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.


Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

So I'll believe that when I see it.

Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-02-23T10:39:28.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-02-23T10:39:28.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":207},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2942107/message:2942196","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1256","rawBody":"
ShinerBock wrote:
Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.


Mazda's been talking about bringing a small diesel over here for, what, 5 years now? Think the last announcement was that it would arrive late 2017. But still a no show.

So I'll believe that when I see it.

Hopefully the Hyundai will show up quicker.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942196_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:378138":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:378138","uid":378138,"login":"ppine","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-07-04T10:59:28.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:378138"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942195":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942195","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942195":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:378138"},"id":"message:2942195","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942195,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942195"},"body":"
wilber1 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
DEF after treatment is supposed to knock down the NOx emissions.


And yet when any of them run afoul of emission regs its because of NOX.

The only real difference between US and European regs is allowed NOX emissions.


I used to be in the air quality business. The Europeans have few if any air quality restrictions on vehicles. In the US, the EPA monitors, CO, CO2, HC, NOx, SOx, and several others like evaporation loss.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-02-23T07:53:41.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-02-23T07:53:41.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":206},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2942107/message:2942195","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"542","rawBody":"
wilber1 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
DEF after treatment is supposed to knock down the NOx emissions.


And yet when any of them run afoul of emission regs its because of NOX.

The only real difference between US and European regs is allowed NOX emissions.


I used to be in the air quality business. The Europeans have few if any air quality restrictions on vehicles. In the US, the EPA monitors, CO, CO2, HC, NOx, SOx, and several others like evaporation loss.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942195_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942194":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942194","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942194":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:311640"},"id":"message:2942194","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942194,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942194"},"body":"Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-02-23T05:16:14.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-02-23T05:16:14.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":207},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2942107/message:2942194","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"925","rawBody":"Now Hyundai is following Mazda in adding a diesel to their line up.

2019 Hyundai Santa Fe will become the brand's first U.S. diesel

As I said before, diesels aren't dead just because VW group decided to leave the diesel market due to their scandal. Other makes have stepped up in offering diesel powered vehicles where there wasn't one before like Hyundai with this Sante Fe and Mazda's diesel CX-5 coming out later this year. While I still don't think diesels will ever sale more than a gasoline engines here due to our cheap fuel prices and love for performance, but anyone who says diesels are dead is just burying their head in the sand to ignore what is happening just so they can continue to feel good about thinking the way they do.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942194_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:135979":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:135979","uid":135979,"login":"wnjj","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-01-11T15:51:33.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:135979"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942193":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942193","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942193":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:135979"},"id":"message:2942193","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942193,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942193"},"body":"
Bedlam wrote:
How many of you remember when the EPA started messing with gasser emission standards in the 70's? It wasn't just the smog pumps - People were peeved when carburetors were sealed to prevent rejetting or adjustments (you couldn't even get in to clean or rebuild them) and then the first generation of throttle body fuel injection started appearing. This eventually was better than the carburetors it replaced but is still a crude way to deliver fuel. Direct injection will help clean up the gasser, but I wouldn't be surprised to see EGR, DPF or even DEF work its way into the gassers as emissions get more stringent. At some point the complexity of any cleaner burning ICE will become costlier than electric vehicles even if the net emissions are the same or less than an EV.

Gas engines have had EGR for years...and yes they occasionally are the cause of trouble when the carbon fouls the valve. Wouldn't the other 2 be called GPF and GEF? ;)

I'm not sure gas engines are all that dirty today but then again we keep moving the needle on what's considered \"pollution\".","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-02-22T10:31:51.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-02-22T10:31:51.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":206},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2942107/message:2942193","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1129","rawBody":"
Bedlam wrote:
How many of you remember when the EPA started messing with gasser emission standards in the 70's? It wasn't just the smog pumps - People were peeved when carburetors were sealed to prevent rejetting or adjustments (you couldn't even get in to clean or rebuild them) and then the first generation of throttle body fuel injection started appearing. This eventually was better than the carburetors it replaced but is still a crude way to deliver fuel. Direct injection will help clean up the gasser, but I wouldn't be surprised to see EGR, DPF or even DEF work its way into the gassers as emissions get more stringent. At some point the complexity of any cleaner burning ICE will become costlier than electric vehicles even if the net emissions are the same or less than an EV.

Gas engines have had EGR for years...and yes they occasionally are the cause of trouble when the carbon fouls the valve. Wouldn't the other 2 be called GPF and GEF? ;)

I'm not sure gas engines are all that dirty today but then again we keep moving the needle on what's considered \"pollution\".","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942193_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:200154":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:200154","uid":200154,"login":"wilber1","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-12-16T19:57:18.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:200154"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942192":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942192","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942192":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:200154"},"id":"message:2942192","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942192,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942192"},"body":"
Bedlam wrote:
DEF after treatment is supposed to knock down the NOx emissions.


And yet when any of them run afoul of emission regs its because of NOX.

The only real difference between US and European regs is allowed NOX emissions.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-02-22T09:11:31.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-02-22T09:11:31.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":206},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2942107/message:2942192","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"282","rawBody":"
Bedlam wrote:
DEF after treatment is supposed to knock down the NOx emissions.


And yet when any of them run afoul of emission regs its because of NOX.

The only real difference between US and European regs is allowed NOX emissions.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2942192_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:49":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:49","position":1,"name":"Moderator","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:1659":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1659","uid":1659,"login":"Bedlam","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-06-13T11:02:40.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/images/dS0xNjU5LTM3aTkxM0RCQzAxNDMxNTcxRjQ"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:49"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1659"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942191":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2942191","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2942191":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1659"},"id":"message:2942191","revisionNum":1,"uid":2942191,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2942107"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2942107"},"subject":"Re: Diesel engines why not more available in smaller vehicles ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2942191"},"body":"How many of you remember when the EPA started messing with gasser emission standards in the 70's? 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