Diesel option for 2018 F-150

valhalla360 wrote:

Mike Up wrote:
If Ford does offer a diesel, hopefully they don't screw up like Dodge did with the Ram and Nissan did with the Titan XD. Ford needs to beef up the GVWR which will likely require a stiffer frame as well.

Titan after diesel, has the lower payload of an optioned F150, but the weight of a F250, and Ram has the weight of a steel F150 but the payload of a Focus.

Diesel engine's additional torque can't be utilized when it doesn't have the payload to haul or tow heavy.

The issue is you are confusing the traditional diesel market (heavy haulers) with the new diesel market (making grocery getters with fuel efficient).

The reason for adding a diesel to the 1/2ton market is to boost fuel efficiency. Any tow capability is a bonus as long as it is a decent driver when empty. If your goal is heavy hauling, they are going to push you to the 3/4 or 1 ton market.

And you can buy a set of Timbrens for like $160 if you need em.

shepstone wrote:
Trucks are about hauling and towing , if your using it just as a grocery getter or econo driver or pretty boy rainbow car, then you have the wrong vehicle. Without using them for thier intended purpose they are a terrible waste of fuel and a waste of our planets limited resources.

My 70+ year old sister just bought a truck. She likes the upright driving position along with the eases of entry/egress. The only thing this truck will haul is yard supplies and groceries. She likes her new GMC and I don't see her limited use of the truck as a threat to the planet. Although one of her friends told her only hicks drive trucks. Her husband drives a new Mustang GT.

shepstone wrote:
Trucks are about hauling and towing , if your using it just as a grocery getter or econo driver or pretty boy rainbow car, then you have the wrong vehicle. Without using them for thier intended purpose they are a terrible waste of fuel and a waste of our planets limited resources.

Sorry, my mistake. I guess I inadvertently clicked on the Sierra Club forum instead of RV.net.

shepstone wrote:
Trucks are about hauling and towing , if your using it just as a grocery getter or econo driver or pretty boy rainbow car, then you have the wrong vehicle. Without using them for thier intended purpose they are a terrible waste of fuel and a waste of our planets limited resources.

Sure but reality is the vast majority of 1/2 ton trucks could be replaced with a 4banger compact pickup getting close to 30mpg and would lose no functionality but people want the big truck.

The manufacturers are caught in the middle. No company survives if they don't provide what their customers want but they have to meet CAFE standards.

End result...small diesels that aren't heavy haulers but get pretty good MPG. Being a "diesel" satisfies the ego aspect for a lot of customers. If you really want to do heavy hauling you can always upgrade to a bigger truck with a bigger engine.

shepstone wrote:
Trucks are about hauling and towing , if your using it just as a grocery getter or econo driver or pretty boy rainbow car, then you have the wrong vehicle. Without using them for thier intended purpose they are a terrible waste of fuel and a waste of our planets limited resources.

Says the guy driving a heavy duty gasser that sucks down fuel at a voracious rate.

shepstone wrote:
Trucks are about hauling and towing , if your using it just as a grocery getter or econo driver or pretty boy rainbow car, then you have the wrong vehicle. Without using them for thier intended purpose they are a terrible waste of fuel and a waste of our planets limited resources.

So, the guy with an RV gets to lecture others on a "terrible waste of fuel a and a waste of our planets limited resources"? :R

Hello, pot?........Kettle here

The beauty of a capitalistic economy is the consumer gets to choose what they drive.

And, as others have said, this is about CAFE requirements. These diesels are unlikely to turn into a power war. It will be a fuel economy war.

Wow so because you think a truck has to be towing or hauling then it's a "pretty boy rainbow car"? OK than, LMAO.

Some people just like to have a larger vehicle that on occasion can haul maybe some mulch, top soil or whatever. Do you only use your truck to tow or haul things?

The fact is people like large vehicles and they also like pick up trucks in 4X4 decked out. Just because you think that's wrong does not make it so!

Don

Trucks are about hauling and towing , if your using it just as a grocery getter or econo driver or pretty boy rainbow car, then you have the wrong vehicle. Without using them for thier intended purpose they are a terrible waste of fuel and a waste of our planets limited resources.

rjstractor wrote:

vahalla360 wrote:
The issue is you are confusing the traditional diesel market (heavy haulers) with the new diesel market (making grocery getters with fuel efficient).

The reason for adding a diesel to the 1/2ton market is to boost fuel efficiency. Any tow capability is a bonus as long as it is a decent driver when empty. If your goal is heavy hauling, they are going to push you to the 3/4 or 1 ton market.

x2. In the 150/1500 the diesel is about the fuel economy while still being able to tow. In these trucks the gas engines have slightly higher tow ratings and better towing performance, at the expense of fuel economy. In the bigger trucks diesel is about towing performance. They do get better mpg, but I think that's more of a side effect than the intent of the relatively big diesels they use. The real reason is much higher towing capacity and better performance.

X 3 It's about increasing Ford's CAFE standards, not taking sales away from the heavy haulers. Standards are getting tougher as time passes.

alexleblanc wrote:

while the ED might not be a flash in the pan, it's had more than its share of issues up to date with ton's of engine replacements.

LMAO, tons...rally? Yep the 2014 trucks had their share of issues but not any more then the Ecoboost has and still does. Nothing close to the first two years but there are plenty of owners on the EB forums just like the ED.

Don