Diesel option for 2018 F-150

vahalla360 wrote:
The issue is you are confusing the traditional diesel market (heavy haulers) with the new diesel market (making grocery getters with fuel efficient).

The reason for adding a diesel to the 1/2ton market is to boost fuel efficiency. Any tow capability is a bonus as long as it is a decent driver when empty. If your goal is heavy hauling, they are going to push you to the 3/4 or 1 ton market.

x2. In the 150/1500 the diesel is about the fuel economy while still being able to tow. In these trucks the gas engines have slightly higher tow ratings and better towing performance, at the expense of fuel economy. In the bigger trucks diesel is about towing performance. They do get better mpg, but I think that's more of a side effect than the intent of the relatively big diesels they use. The real reason is much higher towing capacity and better performance.

Mike Up wrote:
If Ford does offer a diesel, hopefully they don't screw up like Dodge did with the Ram and Nissan did with the Titan XD. Ford needs to beef up the GVWR which will likely require a stiffer frame as well.

Titan after diesel, has the lower payload of an optioned F150, but the weight of a F250, and Ram has the weight of a steel F150 but the payload of a Focus.

Diesel engine's additional torque can't be utilized when it doesn't have the payload to haul or tow heavy.

The issue is you are confusing the traditional diesel market (heavy haulers) with the new diesel market (making grocery getters with fuel efficient).

The reason for adding a diesel to the 1/2ton market is to boost fuel efficiency. Any tow capability is a bonus as long as it is a decent driver when empty. If your goal is heavy hauling, they are going to push you to the 3/4 or 1 ton market.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
They didn't have much choice, the bigger EB makes a good tow engine but just can't compete in the MPG ring. They tried a smaller displacement but still came up sort in the fuel economy game. Bottom line most people want fuel economy over speed. That's were the diesels shine over gas engines, even twin turbos.

I said two years ago Ford would be putting a diesel in the F-150 and looks like I was right. So I wonder what all the Blue Oval boys, who were saying the Ecodiesel was a flash in the pan will have to say about Ford jumping on the band wagon!

Hope they do it right and don't fallow Nissan's path. My bet is they fallow FCA and go with a small displacement V6 3.2 or 3.5.

Don

while the ED might not be a flash in the pan, it's had more than its share of issues up to date with ton's of engine replacements.

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If Ford ups the GVWR for a payload in the 25-3000lb range and offers a diesel with enough power to pull 12,000lbs, 3/4 ton sales will drop. That's why you never see F150 HDs ordered by dealers. I can't see Ford offering anything more than an MPG beater with the new diesel. Like what Ram did. Ram never intended for the Eco D to be a big time tow truck. They have the 2500-3500 for that.
Nissan went the other direction with the Cummins. Like the F150 with the HD option. They needed to add to their line up.
Ford doesn't need to fill any gaps. Only regain the MPG crown.
Just because a truck has a diesel in doesn't mean it's supposed to tow big.

If Ford does offer a diesel, hopefully they don't screw up like Dodge did with the Ram and Nissan did with the Titan XD. Ford needs to beef up the GVWR which will likely require a stiffer frame as well.

Titan after diesel, has the lower payload of an optioned F150, but the weight of a F250, and Ram has the weight of a steel F150 but the payload of a Focus.

Diesel engine's additional torque can't be utilized when it doesn't have the payload to haul or tow heavy.

The day I was up at GDE (Green Diesel Engineering) getting the trucks ECM reprogrammed they had a brand new Colorado with the baby D-Max for testing! These guys do OEM programming for GM, Ford and used to do it for Chrysler.


They work very closely VM and know the 3.0 VM ED inside and out. As OEM programmers they know the powertrain platform inside and out. So they know what can and can not be done without harming the trucks.

Don

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Well the Ecodiesel has a lot of room to move up in the tune area. I'm running the GDE tune on mine and it made a huge improvement over the stock tune. Both in performance and mileage as it addresses the EPA mandated BS that all the manufacturers have to fallow.....well not VW lol.

Don

I seen a article where Gale Bank's did some mods to the 3.0 motor and got a lot of HP out of it.

Ford is getting pretty good at getting a lot of HP out of small motors as well.

Don't know what the small Dura max Diesel is rated at for the new Colorado.

Well the Ecodiesel has a lot of room to move up in the tune area. I'm running the GDE tune on mine and it made a huge improvement over the stock tune. Both in performance and mileage as it addresses the EPA mandated BS that all the manufacturers have to fallow.....well not VW lol.

Don

Me Again wrote:

hone eagle wrote:

Me Again wrote:
They will most likely shave a bank off the Powerstroke keeping it in house. Given that they are going to use the papastroke in the 650/750's, there is no reason why they would not want babystroke in the F150's.

most likely to be one of the Duratorq's ,5 cylinder I bet same as used in the transit van

So the V6 Ecodiesel is 240hp and 420 lb ft. Transit van I5 is 183 HP and 350 lb ft. They will have some tuning to do.

I highly doubt Ford is going to bring a diesel to market in the F-150 that takes second place to Ram.

I'd guess we'll see the Land Rover Diesel with 250 hp and 440 ft lbs. or something in that neighborhood.