Hybridhunter wrote:
Performance wise the EB is a fair comparison, (the 5.4 not at all),the better mileage is just a bonus.
As for the fuel economy return you mention? Lol. Enjoy your better mileage. It cost you $10K.
tsk tsk tsk... you assume I paid more for my diesel than I did my F-150. That isn't the case with me. So yes, I will smile ear to ear with this vehicle knowing that I did well. I already know that fuel costs alone would have me break even at 5 years if we were assuming the diesel upgrade price from a gasser 1-ton at MSRP, and that the gasser got the same MPG as an ecoboost half-ton. Unfortunately that isn't the case, I would cut my fuel reimbursement time in half because I would have twice as much of a fuel economy gain against a 1-ton gasser, possibly more. But I got my truck for less than my F-150, so I'm already ahead of the game. I have nearly the same feature set as my F-150 had. Actually, I have gained a few features that I really wished my F-150 had (besides the diesel). I will enjoy not servicing every 7,500 since my new service interval is 15k miles. I will also enjoy the RV shows more when figuring out exactly which rig I want to pull since I am no longer limited with owning a half-ton (the wife wasn't finding anything in the weight range that I was comfy with in the half ton). I can now entertain 5th wheels and toy haulers... in fact I will probably go that way. I will also enjoy driving over the Cascades and Rockies with no significant loss in power thanks to turbocharging (the ecoboost owners would get this benefit as well). In all honesty, if the diesels back in 2010 were as decent as they are today, I would had never purchased my F-150. I needed a truck then and I was trying to future proof my decision and didn't know as much about RV'ing back then as I do now. Unfortunately it took till 2012 before Ford got the 6.7 down the way I liked it (a few upgrades from 2011 to 2012). It took till late 2011/2012 before the Chevy finally upgraded its frame so the IFS wasn't riding on the bumpstops anymore but the interior was not up to what I liked. And it took until 2013 before RAM finally switched over to a DEF based after treatment system which finally won me over.
Also, I am not aware of any maker charging $10k for a diesel upgrade, the most is RAM at roughly $8k for an upgrade for the HO Cummins and Aisin Transmission. Awesome combo, but I decided to save $2k. I personally don't think the diesels truly cost $6k more than a gasser truck, namely because it seems like the incentives and hold backs appear to be greater on a diesel than a gasser. At least that's what I've observed in my neck of the woods. I'm more incline to think the diesel upgrade truly costs a maker $3k to $4k over a gas motor. They just get away with the whole Diesel thing and have inflated diesel upgrade pricing disproportionately over the years. I've noticed this trend from 1999 to current.
And getting back to my home point. I moved up from a half-ton truck to a one-ton truck. I needed the capability because I was pushing the payload on my F-150 even though it was the "Max Tow" version. And while I was at it, I'm having a significant fuel savings against a more-efficient half ton with my new one ton. The savings are only increased (most likely doubled) against a similar 1-ton truck that's equipped with a gas engine. I would only recommend diesel if you have the right driving duty-cycle. Otherwise, the diesel will be a poor investment for an individual.
